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From: Valentin Guillen on 24 Dec 2005 16:50 On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:18:08 +0000, felmon davis wrote: > thanks; the Stanford site is <http://fairuse.stanford.edu> > > Felmon Thanks for the great link! As an example of Internet music sites which *encourage* you to download, rip, burn and share their music, check out http://www.magnatune.com You can download and listen/rip/burn hundreds of albums from this and many other sites. Here's a quoted section from this page: http://www.magnatune.com/info/give Give 3 Free Copies to Your Friends While other record labels are busy suing their customers for introducing their friends to great music... At Magnatune, we want you to copy our music for your friends. Yes, at Magnatune you can legally copy any album you buy for up to 3 of your friends. Why do we do this? Because we know you've discovered great music through your friends. It's always been this way: from mix tapes, to CDRs to Peer to Peer. People fall in love with new music by being exposed to it by others. It's such an obvious point, and everyone knows the truth of it, yet the music industry has always fought it (despite the fact that you're actually trying to help them!). What, specifically does our policy mean? * When you buy an album (whether a download or CD) you can pass the download URL and password we've given you, to up to 3 friends. Pass the download information on by email, instant messenger or telephathy: whatever works for you. * Or better yet, just forward to your 3 friends the email we send you when you buy, which has the download instructions in it (just remember to give us your email address when you buy!). * You're also welcome to email the mp3s themselves, or burn a CDR of the album as a way of giving it to your 3 friends. * In short, use whatever mechanism you prefer to send them the music! Why are we doing this? * We know that if you're buying Magnatune music, that you loved what you heard, and chances are you'll want to play the music to others who might like it too. * You're going to introduce people to Magnatune's music, why would we want to prevent that? * Despite all the "We are not evil", we-want-to-change-the-world stuff that we rant about, we know that in the end it's all about the music, and that people will only visit and buy from us if they find out about it, and think what they hear is amazing. * And finally, because we wanted to reward so many of our customers who emailed us asking if it was ok to make a copy for a friend. We always said yes! so we decided to make it official policy. Aren't you worried I'll abuse this? * No, because you've always had the capability to copy anything you bought from Magnatune: we don't believe in copy protection and we think you're honest, otherwise you wouldn't be bothering to read this! * Dishonest people can always abuse the system. Rather, we want to reward all the honest people who truly want to do the right thing. * If you abuse our generosity, we're not going to break down your door and throw you in jail. We just want you to feel a little guilty about it <grin>. We're trusting you to do the right thing, and introduce new people to the music you love. You'll feel good about it, your friends will thank you, and you'll help Magnatune prosper. ************************************************************ For most serious music listeners and audiophiles, the average-bit-rate of music on the internet is 128kbs, and this is certainly INSUFFICIENT for serious music listeners and collectors. This is the bitrate of the public offerings for free on Magnatune.com When you Purchase, you probably get a much higher bitrate offering. I certainly wouldn't purchase anything at this bitrate. I do download/rip/burn plenty of content which is free, at this bitrate. If I purchase, I want CD quality content. ********************************************************* And then, most of what I personally like and listen to is music to which Hollywood/RIAA has NEVER had title and claim to. Mexico's "Epoca de Oro" or Golden Age, music from approx 1920~1955 is for the most part, music which Hollywood never had claim to, and which has since passed into the public domain. And then I *love* music from Southeast Asia. Once again, music which RIAA has no claim to. http://www.laomusic.nu go to bottom of page, and click on "Morlum Lookthung" Music Pod for great Laotian music. http://www.thaidisco.net:8010/listen.pls For more great Thailand Morlam traditional music......Not Disco music So you can see that there is a world full of *legal* content that you can enjoy using your great Linux music tools on. One need not feel guilty, nor even break the law, to enjoy a wealth of music on the net. Merry Christmas! -- vg
From: felmon davis on 25 Dec 2005 15:15 On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 14:50:54 -0700, Valentin Guillen wrote: > Thanks for the great link! > > As an example of Internet music sites which *encourage* you to download, > rip, burn and share their music, check out > > http://www.magnatune.com my turn to thank you for an(other) informative post. a propos copying, I just ran across the following: --- http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-6001825.html "A new proposal in Congress could please Hollywood studios, which are increasingly worried about Internet piracy, by embedding anticopying technology into the next generation of digital video products." "If the legislation were enacted, one year later it would outlaw the manufacture or sale of electronic devices that convert analog video signals into digital ones--unless those encoders honor an anticopying plan designed to curb redistribution. Affected devices would include PC-based tuners and digital video recorders." --- this isn't streaming, I still need to do my homework on that, but it's a fascinating legal development. Felmon
From: houghi on 25 Dec 2005 15:43 felmon davis wrote: > this isn't streaming, I still need to do my homework on that, but it's a > fascinating legal development. Your spellchecker is broken. You misspelled 'worrying and scary'. Why would I care? Because I live in a country that was in the progress of making a law about crimes against humanity and the USofA stepped in as they were not happy about that law. A law in the USofA will have influence in where I live and that change will not be in my favour. -- houghi Please do not toppost http://houghi.org You are about to enter another dimension, a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land of imagination. Next stop, Usenet
From: Roy L. Fuchs on 25 Dec 2005 17:24 On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 21:43:01 +0100, houghi <houghi(a)houghi.org.invalid> Gave us: >felmon davis wrote: >> this isn't streaming, I still need to do my homework on that, but it's a >> fascinating legal development. > >Your spellchecker is broken. You misspelled 'worrying and scary'. > >Why would I care? Because I live in a country that What country might that be? One of the countries WE liberated during WW II? > was in the progress >of making a law about crimes against humanity and the USofA stepped in >as they were not happy about that law. > A law in the USofA will have >influence in where I live and that change will not be in my favour. I agree with this. It was The USA that FORCED the UN to make cannabis illegal (calling it a narcotic) in EVERY member nation. One of the biggest mistakes ever made in the world. Of all the inebriants man has EVER embraced, cannabis is very likely the most benign. THAT was a crime against humanity in and of itself.
From: felmon davis on 25 Dec 2005 18:39
On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 21:43:01 +0100, houghi wrote: > felmon davis wrote: >> this isn't streaming, I still need to do my homework on that, but it's >> a fascinating legal development. > > Your spellchecker is broken. You misspelled 'worrying and scary'. > > Why would I care? Because I live in a country that was in the progress > of making a law about crimes against humanity and the USofA stepped in > as they were not happy about that law. A law in the USofA will have > influence in where I live and that change will not be in my favour. I agree with what you say though maybe as the thread shows, it takes us off into a perhaps, ah, unproductive (what would my spellchecker say?), direction. I am thinking of Lessig's thesis that the old idea that "information wants to be free" (and specifically that the internet treats controls like 'damage' or blockage which it can work around) was inevitably doomed. more and more control will get built in as powerful interests dictate. proprietary and commercial interests are central - people want to be paid for their labor or at least for 'renting' what they own - but also security interests - everyone wants security; big government promises it, as is also its obligation. and the technology permits clamping down. seems like a brief era is coming to an end. less is 'free' (as in beer) but, ah, fascinating how less may become 'free' as in speech. Felmon |