Stuff Some Air Jacks Into The Pipe
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From: bert on 17 Jun 2010 10:51 On Jun 17, 10:33 am, Uncle Al <Uncle...(a)hate.spam.net> wrote: > Bret Cahill wrote: > > >http://www.asesystems.com/pneumatic-jacks.shtml?gclid=CLO-zdGRpqICFRk.... > > > These rubberized Kevlar bags are small uninflated and can be packed > > into a canister that protects the fabric from the ragged pipe > > entrance. > > [snipc rap] > > Hey stooopid, > > 1) Halliburton cemented the wellhead with pigeon snot. If the > blowout is capped, equilibrium pressure will go beyond 15,000 psig and > blow the hardware like a champagne cork. > > 2) The blowout is not central core, it is around the periphery of > the drill string. Ya gotta plug the annulus, jackjass. BP managers > ordered Trasocean engineers to omit placing centering rings to save > time and money. Management is perfect in every way - perfect FUBAR, > like you. > > 3) "Inflate" Ha ha ha. Local sea floor pressure is ~2300 psia. > Blowout equilibrium pressure is ~15,000 psig. /_\E = /_\(PV), 101.325 > J/liter-atm. Yer talkin' a 20,000 psi gas compressor. Hey stooopid, > how does gas act at 20,000 psi? Critical pressure for nitrogen is 500 > psi. > > Wanna plug the BP blowout? Put a refrigeration collar around the BOP > (ammonia or sulfur dioxide mechanical refrigerant cycle) and > progressively freeze the oil, inner wall to pipe center. Reversible > at will. Thermally insulate the other side with benthic syntactic > foam. Crystallized paraffins have been plugging oil wells nearly > since Edwin L. Drake in 1859. > > idiot > All caping now would only cause it to blow again > -- >TreBert
From: tg on 17 Jun 2010 12:59 On Jun 17, 10:33 am, Uncle Al <Uncle...(a)hate.spam.net> wrote: > Bret Cahill wrote: > > >http://www.asesystems.com/pneumatic-jacks.shtml?gclid=CLO-zdGRpqICFRk.... > > > These rubberized Kevlar bags are small uninflated and can be packed > > into a canister that protects the fabric from the ragged pipe > > entrance. > > [snipc rap] > > Hey stooopid, > > 1) Halliburton Those dark-skinned gummint bureaucrats just can't do anything right, can they? > cemented the wellhead with pigeon snot. If the > blowout is capped, equilibrium pressure will go beyond 15,000 psig and > blow the hardware like a champagne cork. > > 2) The blowout is not central core, it is around the periphery of > the drill string. Ya gotta plug the annulus, jackjass. BP managers Those dark-skinned gummint bureaucrats just can't do anything right, can they? > ordered Trasocean engineers Those dark-skinned gummint bureaucrats just CYA; we'uns was just following orders massah is always their response, eh? > to omit placing centering rings to save > time and money. Those dark-skinned commie gummint bureaucrats never let the capitalist imperative Create Wealth, do they? Can't wait to get some geniuses from the other side in there, right? No wait...... > Management is perfect in every way - perfect FUBAR, > like you. > > 3) "Inflate" Ha ha ha. Local sea floor pressure is ~2300 psia. > Blowout equilibrium pressure is ~15,000 psig. /_\E = /_\(PV), 101.325 > J/liter-atm. Yer talkin' a 20,000 psi gas compressor. Hey stooopid, > how does gas act at 20,000 psi? Critical pressure for nitrogen is 500 > psi. > > Wanna plug the BP blowout? Put a refrigeration collar around the BOP > (ammonia or sulfur dioxide mechanical refrigerant cycle) and > progressively freeze the oil, inner wall to pipe center. Reversible > at will. Thermally insulate the other side with benthic syntactic > foam. Crystallized paraffins have been plugging oil wells nearly > since Edwin L. Drake in 1859. > > idiot > > -- > Uncle Alhttp://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/ > (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz4.htm
From: Michael Coburn on 17 Jun 2010 14:21 On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 07:33:08 -0700, Uncle Al wrote: > Bret Cahill wrote: >> >> http://www.asesystems.com/pneumatic-jacks.shtml?gclid=CLO- zdGRpqICFRk7gwodFnMjRg >> >> These rubberized Kevlar bags are small uninflated and can be packed >> into a canister that protects the fabric from the ragged pipe entrance. > [snipc rap] > > Hey stooopid, > > 1) Halliburton cemented the wellhead with pigeon snot. If the > blowout is capped, equilibrium pressure will go beyond 15,000 psig and > blow the hardware like a champagne cork. > > 2) The blowout is not central core, it is around the periphery of > the drill string. Ya gotta plug the annulus, jackjass. BP managers > ordered Trasocean engineers to omit placing centering rings to save time > and money. Management is perfect in every way - perfect FUBAR, like > you. > > 3) "Inflate" Ha ha ha. Local sea floor pressure is ~2300 psia. > Blowout equilibrium pressure is ~15,000 psig. /_\E = /_\(PV), 101.325 > J/liter-atm. Yer talkin' a 20,000 psi gas compressor. Hey stooopid, > how does gas act at 20,000 psi? Critical pressure for nitrogen is 500 > psi. > > Wanna plug the BP blowout? Put a refrigeration collar around the BOP > (ammonia or sulfur dioxide mechanical refrigerant cycle) and > progressively freeze the oil, inner wall to pipe center. Reversible at > will. Thermally insulate the other side with benthic syntactic foam. > Crystallized paraffins have been plugging oil wells nearly since Edwin > L. Drake in 1859. > > idiot As I have already _GUESSED_ (and for me that is all I can do), the problem cannot be resolved by "capping" the pipe off in some way because the pressure will blow the piping below the sea floor and the oil will come out anyway. There are probably a zillion ways to "cap" the well and no one is attempting it any more. All that mud stuff was for show. Something to keep government and the public entertained. If this guess is correct then the only way to manage the problem is by recovering the oil as it comes out of the pipe or as it seeps out from around the damaged near surface. The dispersant was used to HIDE the oil so that BP could limit its liabilities. Oil on the surface can be skimmed, transported, and refined. This whole mess is an example of why extraction of natural resources cannot be safely managed by profit driven organizations. The incentives are totally wrong. So here we are: If and when "relief" wells can be drilled to intercept the oil before it reaches the damaged (or weak) upper piping of the well, then the flow of oil can be stopped. I am unclear as to how that will work but whether the "relief" wells drop the pressure enough to allow a cap that does not rupture the top portions of the well as it sits, or whatever the relief wells are used to plug the pipe at a deeper point where the surrounding rock is more supportive is somewhat irrelevant. The objective seems to be to reduce the pressure at the top of the current well and go from there. What I am not understanding at this point is why the relief wells need to be so deep. (so deep is implied by the time to drill them). If four or five new pipes are added a few hundred feet below the top and the oil flows into tankers then this would dramatically reduce the pressure and allow the damaged well to be sealed. It may be that BP has poked a hole in a reservoir of such pressure that all the blowout prevention and cement would not have mattered. -- "Senate rules don't trump the Constitution" -- http://GreaterVoice.org/60
From: tg on 17 Jun 2010 15:37 On Jun 17, 2:21 pm, Michael Coburn <mik...(a)verizon.net> wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 07:33:08 -0700, Uncle Al wrote: > > Bret Cahill wrote: > > >>http://www.asesystems.com/pneumatic-jacks.shtml?gclid=CLO- > > zdGRpqICFRk7gwodFnMjRg > > > > > > >> These rubberized Kevlar bags are small uninflated and can be packed > >> into a canister that protects the fabric from the ragged pipe entrance.. > > [snipc rap] > > > Hey stooopid, > > > 1) Halliburton cemented the wellhead with pigeon snot. If the > > blowout is capped, equilibrium pressure will go beyond 15,000 psig and > > blow the hardware like a champagne cork. > > > 2) The blowout is not central core, it is around the periphery of > > the drill string. Ya gotta plug the annulus, jackjass. BP managers > > ordered Trasocean engineers to omit placing centering rings to save time > > and money. Management is perfect in every way - perfect FUBAR, like > > you. > > > 3) "Inflate" Ha ha ha. Local sea floor pressure is ~2300 psia. > > Blowout equilibrium pressure is ~15,000 psig. /_\E = /_\(PV), 101.325 > > J/liter-atm. Yer talkin' a 20,000 psi gas compressor. Hey stooopid, > > how does gas act at 20,000 psi? Critical pressure for nitrogen is 500 > > psi. > > > Wanna plug the BP blowout? Put a refrigeration collar around the BOP > > (ammonia or sulfur dioxide mechanical refrigerant cycle) and > > progressively freeze the oil, inner wall to pipe center. Reversible at > > will. Thermally insulate the other side with benthic syntactic foam. > > Crystallized paraffins have been plugging oil wells nearly since Edwin > > L. Drake in 1859. > > > idiot > > As I have already _GUESSED_ (and for me that is all I can do), the > problem cannot be resolved by "capping" the pipe off in some way because > the pressure will blow the piping below the sea floor and the oil will > come out anyway. There are probably a zillion ways to "cap" the well and > no one is attempting it any more. All that mud stuff was for show. > Something to keep government and the public entertained. > > If this guess is correct then the only way to manage the problem is by > recovering the oil as it comes out of the pipe or as it seeps out from > around the damaged near surface. The dispersant was used to HIDE the oil > so that BP could limit its liabilities. Oil on the surface can be > skimmed, transported, and refined. This whole mess is an example of why > extraction of natural resources cannot be safely managed by profit driven > organizations. The incentives are totally wrong. > > So here we are: If and when "relief" wells can be drilled to intercept > the oil before it reaches the damaged (or weak) upper piping of the well, > then the flow of oil can be stopped. I am unclear as to how that will > work but whether the "relief" wells drop the pressure enough to allow a > cap that does not rupture the top portions of the well as it sits, or > whatever the relief wells are used to plug the pipe at a deeper point > where the surrounding rock is more supportive is somewhat irrelevant. > The objective seems to be to reduce the pressure at the top of the > current well and go from there. What I am not understanding at this > point is why the relief wells need to be so deep. (so deep is implied by > the time to drill them). If four or five new pipes are added a few > hundred feet below the top and the oil flows into tankers then this would > dramatically reduce the pressure and allow the damaged well to be sealed. > > It may be that BP has poked a hole in a reservoir of such pressure that > all the blowout prevention and cement would not have mattered. > > -- For more info, http://theoildrum.com/ is very good. People who appear to be experts think there is a real but low-probability chance that there could be a catastrophic failure of the well/casing system if too much pressure develops. As for relieving the pressure---the pressure is what it is. There is (again from experts) a not-improbable chance that the increase in flow rate is due to sand abrasion wearing away existing constrictions in the Blowout (Not-) Preventer, with lesser such effects in the well itself. IOW, there's more than enough pressure+oil down there to keep pushing oil out for a very long time, and opening things up isn't going to make much difference at all. As for going deep with the relief wells---remember that the relief well has to suppress flow in itself while feeding the drilling mud, since we don't need to lose another rig and some more workers. It is apparently a tricky balancing act which isn't guaranteed to work the first (few) time(s). There is also a low but real risk of catastrophic failure in the original well or the rock formation during the operation. -tg > "Senate rules don't trump the Constitution" --http://GreaterVoice.org/60
From: Michael Coburn on 17 Jun 2010 16:18
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 12:37:06 -0700, tg wrote: > On Jun 17, 2:21 pm, Michael Coburn <mik...(a)verizon.net> wrote: >> On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 07:33:08 -0700, Uncle Al wrote: >> > Bret Cahill wrote: >> >> >>http://www.asesystems.com/pneumatic-jacks.shtml?gclid=CLO- >> >> zdGRpqICFRk7gwodFnMjRg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> These rubberized Kevlar bags are small uninflated and can be packed >> >> into a canister that protects the fabric from the ragged pipe >> >> entrance. >> > [snipc rap] >> >> > Hey stooopid, >> >> > 1) Halliburton cemented the wellhead with pigeon snot. If the >> > blowout is capped, equilibrium pressure will go beyond 15,000 psig >> > and blow the hardware like a champagne cork. >> >> > 2) The blowout is not central core, it is around the periphery >> > of >> > the drill string. Ya gotta plug the annulus, jackjass. BP managers >> > ordered Trasocean engineers to omit placing centering rings to save >> > time and money. Management is perfect in every way - perfect FUBAR, >> > like you. >> >> > 3) "Inflate" Ha ha ha. Local sea floor pressure is ~2300 psia. >> > Blowout equilibrium pressure is ~15,000 psig. /_\E = /_\(PV), 101.325 >> > J/liter-atm. Yer talkin' a 20,000 psi gas compressor. Hey stooopid, >> > how does gas act at 20,000 psi? Critical pressure for nitrogen is >> > 500 psi. >> >> > Wanna plug the BP blowout? Put a refrigeration collar around the BOP >> > (ammonia or sulfur dioxide mechanical refrigerant cycle) and >> > progressively freeze the oil, inner wall to pipe center. Reversible >> > at will. Thermally insulate the other side with benthic syntactic >> > foam. Crystallized paraffins have been plugging oil wells nearly >> > since Edwin L. Drake in 1859. >> >> > idiot >> >> As I have already _GUESSED_ (and for me that is all I can do), the >> problem cannot be resolved by "capping" the pipe off in some way >> because the pressure will blow the piping below the sea floor and the >> oil will come out anyway. There are probably a zillion ways to "cap" >> the well and no one is attempting it any more. All that mud stuff was >> for show. Something to keep government and the public entertained. >> >> If this guess is correct then the only way to manage the problem is by >> recovering the oil as it comes out of the pipe or as it seeps out from >> around the damaged near surface. The dispersant was used to HIDE the >> oil so that BP could limit its liabilities. Oil on the surface can be >> skimmed, transported, and refined. This whole mess is an example of >> why extraction of natural resources cannot be safely managed by profit >> driven organizations. The incentives are totally wrong. >> >> So here we are: If and when "relief" wells can be drilled to intercept >> the oil before it reaches the damaged (or weak) upper piping of the >> well, then the flow of oil can be stopped. I am unclear as to how that >> will work but whether the "relief" wells drop the pressure enough to >> allow a cap that does not rupture the top portions of the well as it >> sits, or whatever the relief wells are used to plug the pipe at a >> deeper point where the surrounding rock is more supportive is somewhat >> irrelevant. The objective seems to be to reduce the pressure at the top >> of the current well and go from there. What I am not understanding at >> this point is why the relief wells need to be so deep. (so deep is >> implied by the time to drill them). If four or five new pipes are added >> a few hundred feet below the top and the oil flows into tankers then >> this would dramatically reduce the pressure and allow the damaged well >> to be sealed. >> >> It may be that BP has poked a hole in a reservoir of such pressure that >> all the blowout prevention and cement would not have mattered. >> >> -- > > For more info, http://theoildrum.com/ is very good. People who appear to > be experts think there is a real but low-probability chance that there > could be a catastrophic failure of the well/casing system if too much > pressure develops. > > As for relieving the pressure---the pressure is what it is. There is > (again from experts) a not-improbable chance that the increase in flow > rate is due to sand abrasion wearing away existing constrictions in the > Blowout (Not-) Preventer, with lesser such effects in the well itself. > IOW, there's more than enough pressure+oil down there to keep pushing > oil out for a very long time, and opening things up isn't going to make > much difference at all. Bullshit. If I have ONE channel in which oil is flowing then that one channel is a choke point. If I make 5 channels above the current "choke point" then the five channels will each deliver one 5th of the choke point flow. More importantly, I can close off one of the five without blowing a hole in the "choke". > As for going deep with the relief wells---remember that the relief well > has to suppress flow in itself while feeding the drilling mud, since we > don't need to lose another rig and some more workers. It is apparently > a tricky balancing act which isn't guaranteed to work the first (few) > time(s). There is also a low but real risk of catastrophic failure in > the original well or the rock formation during the operation. The drilling mud must have enough weight behind it to suppress the oil flow and that is why the hole must be so deep? > -tg > >> "Senate rules don't trump the Constitution" >> --http://GreaterVoice.org/60 -- "Senate rules don't trump the Constitution" -- http://GreaterVoice.org/60 |