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From: Steve on 29 Mar 2010 08:40 "Don Ocean" <ocean(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:81anasFk5tU1(a)mid.individual.net... > The King wrote: >> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:04:53 -0700, Jim Thompson >> <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:00:11 -0400, The King >>> <Theking(a)homeonthethrone.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 11:58:42 -0700, Jim Thompson >>>> <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> In reality, we right-wingers _will_ eventually tip over the edge. If >>>>> this socialism goes too far we're going to round up all you leftist >>>>> weenies and have a big weenie roast :-) >>>>> >>>>> ...Jim Thompson >>>> You have been tipped over the edge and were coming to get you. >>> Oh? Voluntarily coming to the weenie roast and pick-em-up truck >>> drag-behind ?:-) >>> >>> ...Jim Thompson >> >> If you promise to wear your hood. > > I thought only Union members were allowed to wear hoods? Guys, thats not something to even joke about.... they are alive and well in the *real* south. I was invited to attend another "headlight party" a week or so ago. Yes, I politely declined (again).
From: Charlie E. on 29 Mar 2010 12:03 On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 18:58:52 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat(a)yahoo.com wrote: > >> � � � � Exactly. �And now American industry is reacting to the effect >> on them, stating, like AT&T did ( and Caterpillar, and Verizon, and >> many others, even in the few days since it passed ) that they will be >> taking HUGE write-downs ( $ 1 BILLION for ATT ), laying people off, >> cutting health benefits for employees and retirees, etc, because of >> the expenses Brobama and the Dems have invented for them. > >Note: That $1B AT&T charge is against this quarter's profits. So, the >new, better health care is costing them $4B a year, to start. The >costs scream skyward later, as the plans start paying benefits. > >$4B, hmmm. At $100K / per job, that's 40,000 jobs, destroyed. > ><snip> Actually, as I heard it analyzed, the $1B was a total charge over 30 years of additional costs due to changes in the bill, and doesn't start till 2013 when those changes occur... Charlie
From: dagmargoodboat on 29 Mar 2010 13:16 On Mar 29, 11:03 am, Charlie E. <edmond...(a)ieee.org> wrote: > On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 18:58:52 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodb...(a)yahoo.com > wrote: > > > > >> Exactly. And now American industry is reacting to the effect > >> on them, stating, like AT&T did ( and Caterpillar, and Verizon, and > >> many others, even in the few days since it passed ) that they will be > >> taking HUGE write-downs ( $ 1 BILLION for ATT ), laying people off, > >> cutting health benefits for employees and retirees, etc, because of > >> the expenses Brobama and the Dems have invented for them. > > >Note: That $1B AT&T charge is against this quarter's profits. So, the > >new, better health care is costing them $4B a year, to start. The > >costs scream skyward later, as the plans start paying benefits. > > >$4B, hmmm. At $100K / per job, that's 40,000 jobs, destroyed. > > ><snip> > > Actually, as I heard it analyzed, the $1B was a total charge over 30 > years of additional costs due to changes in the bill, and doesn't > start till 2013 when those changes occur... That doesn't add up either. AT&T's health care costs are increased at least $250M per year just for retirees (i.e., $1B every four years for that one item alone). AT&T will certainly have higher costs for their 283,000 employees too, so $1B a year is entirely possible, or more. We'll see. So the good news is $1B AFA(we)CT, and that only destroys 10,000 jobs. That's 30,000 jobs created or saved, right? -- Cheers, James Arthur
From: Charlie E. on 29 Mar 2010 14:49 On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 10:16:21 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat(a)yahoo.com wrote: >On Mar 29, 11:03�am, Charlie E. <edmond...(a)ieee.org> wrote: >> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 18:58:52 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodb...(a)yahoo.com >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> � � � � Exactly. �And now American industry is reacting to the effect >> >> on them, stating, like AT&T did ( and Caterpillar, and Verizon, and >> >> many others, even in the few days since it passed ) that they will be >> >> taking HUGE write-downs ( $ 1 BILLION for ATT ), laying people off, >> >> cutting health benefits for employees and retirees, etc, because of >> >> the expenses Brobama and the Dems have invented for them. >> >> >Note: That $1B AT&T charge is against this quarter's profits. �So, the >> >new, better health care is costing them $4B a year, to start. �The >> >costs scream skyward later, as the plans start paying benefits. >> >> >$4B, hmmm. �At $100K / per job, that's 40,000 jobs, destroyed. >> >> ><snip> >> >> Actually, as I heard it analyzed, the $1B was a total charge over 30 >> years of additional costs due to changes in the bill, and doesn't >> start till 2013 when those changes occur... > >That doesn't add up either. AT&T's health care costs are increased at >least $250M per year just for retirees (i.e., $1B every four years for >that one item alone). > >AT&T will certainly have higher costs for their 283,000 employees too, >so $1B a year is entirely possible, or more. > >We'll see. > >So the good news is $1B AFA(we)CT, and that only destroys 10,000 >jobs. That's 30,000 jobs created or saved, right? Ok, full explanation as I heard it... This charge is only for a change in the prescription drug benefits. Presently, the gov. lets them write off 100% of the cost of drugs by its employees, PLUS there is a 25% (exact percentage not in memory... ;-) ) subsidy payment from the gov. What is changing is that they can have one, or the other, but not both. (in 2013!) So, this is the charge that they can see now. They don't know yet what other changes will happed... Charlie
From: Paul Hovnanian P.E. on 29 Mar 2010 15:43
Jim Thompson wrote: > > On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 14:12:57 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." > <Paul(a)Hovnanian.com> wrote: > > >Jim Thompson wrote: > >> > >> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 11:43:56 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." > >> <Paul(a)Hovnanian.com> wrote: > >> > >> >amdx wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Last chance to voice your outrage. > >> > > >> >Not the last chance. There will be an election this fall. And then again > >> >in two years. > >> > > >> >Just like two and four years ago. Tne Democrats have made no secret of > >> >the fact that health care reform has been at the top of their agenda for > >> >many years. And yet they seem to get elected. > >> > > >> >Could it be that your outrage is only shared by a minority of the > >> >population? A noisy, brick throwing minority, but still just a minority. > >> > >> Only leftists throw bricks. > >> > > > >http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/89483-palin-defeds-use-of-gun-imagery-while-campaigning-against-reid > > > >http://eastcountymagazine.org/taxonomy/term/3525 > > > >http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2414717420100325 > > > >http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=9528044 > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Robert_Rudolph > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing > > > > Keep the leftist weenies scared. I promise that I'll be quite calm as > I take aim ;-) Police officers might resent being labeled as 'leftist wenies'. http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/03/29/hutaree.militia.plans/ -- Paul Hovnanian mailto:Paul(a)Hovnanian.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ Rock is dead! Long live paper and scissors! |