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From: Steve on 30 Mar 2010 19:55 <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message news:slu4r5h7a8gm3npob1gh8lr2kkap38p8oo(a)4ax.com... > On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 07:45:02 -0500, "Steve" <jsteve_n(a)comcast.net> wrote: > >> >> ...Jim Thompson >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you promise to wear your hood. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I thought only Union members were allowed to wear hoods? >>>>>> >>>>>>Guys, thats not something to even joke about.... they are alive and >>>>>>well >>>>>>in >>>>>>the *real* south. I was invited to attend another "headlight party" a >>>>>>week >>>>>>or so ago. Yes, I politely declined (again). >>>>> >>>>> Bullshit. >>>> >>>>Before you call bullshit, maybe you should come see for yourself?? OTOH, >>>>never mind, we don't need another damn yankee in south Mississippi. >>> >>> You really are a fool. >> >>You can say what you want about the south, but I have never heard of >>anybody >>retiring and moving north. > > I live in the South, you dimwitted liar. If you want a real bigot just > look > at your typical NE leftist weenie. Ok, I'll bite.... where in the south??
From: Scott Lurndal on 30 Mar 2010 20:50 "Steve" <jsteve_n(a)comcast.net> writes: > ><krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message >news:slu4r5h7a8gm3npob1gh8lr2kkap38p8oo(a)4ax.com... >> On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 07:45:02 -0500, "Steve" <jsteve_n(a)comcast.net> wrote: >> >>> >>> ...Jim Thompson >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you promise to wear your hood. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I thought only Union members were allowed to wear hoods? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Guys, thats not something to even joke about.... they are alive and >>>>>>>well >>>>>>>in >>>>>>>the *real* south. I was invited to attend another "headlight party" a >>>>>>>week >>>>>>>or so ago. Yes, I politely declined (again). >>>>>> >>>>>> Bullshit. >>>>> >>>>>Before you call bullshit, maybe you should come see for yourself?? OTOH, >>>>>never mind, we don't need another damn yankee in south Mississippi. >>>> >>>> You really are a fool. >>> >>>You can say what you want about the south, but I have never heard of >>>anybody >>>retiring and moving north. >> >> I live in the South, you dimwitted liar. If you want a real bigot just >> look >> at your typical NE leftist weenie. > >Ok, I'll bite.... where in the south?? > Why do you bite? KRW has never contributed anything of import on any group he has posted to. And speaking of bigotry "typical NE leftist weenie" is the epitome of bigotry, and he doesn't even realize it. scott
From: dagmargoodboat on 30 Mar 2010 22:11 On Mar 29, 10:57 pm, "k...(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" <k...(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: > On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:32:02 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodb...(a)yahoo.com wrote: <snip> > >Getting rid of subsidies is fine with me. This change is, however, > >part of the uncounted cost of Obamacare--they're shifting the full > >retiree Rx cost to the private sector, who will now have to pay 100 > >cents of every Rx benefit rather than the 70-odd cents they used to > >pay. > > Not necessarily. Many employers will simply discontinue coverage and > Obamacare will have to pick up the whole deal. Those employers will be fined. There's a fine for not providing insurance, $2k IIRC, and another fine for providing health care not meeting Obamacare requirements, $3k IIRC. OTOH if you provide too good a policy there's a fine for that too--it's taxed at 40%. Of course the $2k fine is less than providing medical insurance, so discontinuing coverage is a good option. Avoids hassles. > >So, the cost of doing business is *higher*, but it counts as a > >*savings* (to the government) in the CBO figure. Just to hit that nail again, Obamacare doesn't save, it costs more, roughly 17%. No surprise--we'll be paying for 10% more people, with fewer limitations, and to cover more conditions. Much of the government's increase is hidden with gimmicks, and by making ordinary folks pay directly (mandates). > >One assumes that AT&T has to apply this to the pension funds of > >current workers too, if Rx benefits are part of their retirement > >packages, and set aside additional reserves for the increased future > >cost anticipated. Or, just chop the benefit. > > ...or discontinue retirement benefits. Yep.
From: krw on 30 Mar 2010 23:20 On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:11:27 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat(a)yahoo.com wrote: >On Mar 29, 10:57�pm, "k...(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" ><k...(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >> On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:32:02 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodb...(a)yahoo.com wrote: > ><snip> > >> >Getting rid of subsidies is fine with me. �This change is, however, >> >part of the uncounted cost of Obamacare--they're shifting the full >> >retiree Rx cost to the private sector, who will now have to pay 100 >> >cents of every Rx benefit rather than the 70-odd cents they used to >> >pay. >> >> Not necessarily. �Many employers will simply discontinue coverage and >> Obamacare will have to pick up the whole deal. > >Those employers will be fined. There's a fine for not providing >insurance, $2k IIRC, and another fine for providing health care not >meeting Obamacare requirements, $3k IIRC. OTOH if you provide too >good a policy there's a fine for that too--it's taxed at 40%. Um, retirees are no longer employees. AIUI, this write-down was for retirees part-D drug coverage, so they're covered under Medicare anyway. >Of course the $2k fine is less than providing medical insurance, so >discontinuing coverage is a good option. Avoids hassles. > >> >So, the cost of doing business is *higher*, but it counts as a >> >*savings* (to the government) in the CBO figure. > >Just to hit that nail again, Obamacare doesn't save, it costs more, >roughly 17%. No surprise--we'll be paying for 10% more people, with >fewer limitations, and to cover more conditions. Much of the >government's increase is hidden with gimmicks, and by making ordinary >folks pay directly (mandates). > >> >One assumes that AT&T has to apply this to the pension funds of >> >current workers too, if Rx benefits are part of their retirement >> >packages, and set aside additional reserves for the increased future >> >cost anticipated. �Or, just chop the benefit. >> >> ...or discontinue retirement benefits. > >Yep.
From: Jim Yanik on 31 Mar 2010 09:31
scott(a)slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in news:w%wsn.1$xp1.0(a)news.usenetserver.com: > "Steve" <jsteve_n(a)comcast.net> writes: >> >><krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message >>news:slu4r5h7a8gm3npob1gh8lr2kkap38p8oo(a)4ax.com... >>> On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 07:45:02 -0500, "Steve" <jsteve_n(a)comcast.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> ...Jim Thompson >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If you promise to wear your hood. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I thought only Union members were allowed to wear hoods? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Guys, thats not something to even joke about.... they are alive >>>>>>>>and well >>>>>>>>in >>>>>>>>the *real* south. I was invited to attend another "headlight >>>>>>>>party" a week >>>>>>>>or so ago. Yes, I politely declined (again). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bullshit. >>>>>> >>>>>>Before you call bullshit, maybe you should come see for yourself?? >>>>>>OTOH, never mind, we don't need another damn yankee in south >>>>>>Mississippi. >>>>> >>>>> You really are a fool. >>>> >>>>You can say what you want about the south, but I have never heard of >>>>anybody >>>>retiring and moving north. >>> >>> I live in the South, you dimwitted liar. If you want a real bigot >>> just look >>> at your typical NE leftist weenie. >> >>Ok, I'll bite.... where in the south?? >> > > Why do you bite? KRW has never contributed anything of import on > any group he has posted to. And speaking of bigotry "typical NE > leftist weenie" is the epitome of bigotry, and he doesn't even realize > it. > > scott > I agree with KRW. Many (most?)lefties are bigots.They feel that blacks need affirmative action,can't compete with whites without it,they consider southerners to be "rednecks","neandertals",or morons,lefties consider those lacking college education as "ignorant". Look at how many prominent DemocRAT politicians look down on those who oppose their commie policies,and call them "racist" -for their opposition to their policies! They think that people are "too stupid" to understand their commie policies,think that "we'll learn to like" their commie healthcare,that all we need is it "explained better". Lefties just don't recognize how racist and bigoted they actually are. For the record,I was born and raised in NY,and live in Orlando. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com |