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From: John Larkin on 5 Oct 2007 13:38 On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 22:43:20 -0700, JosephKK <joseph_barrett(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >BradGuth bradguth(a)gmail.com posted to sci.electronics.design: > >> On Oct 3, 8:49 pm, JosephKK <joseph_barr...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>> BradGuthbradg...(a)gmail.com posted to sci.electronics.design: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > On Oct 3, 3:01 pm, me <m...(a)here.net> wrote: >>> >> Willie.Moo...(a)gmail.com wrote >>> >> innews:1191443349.557862.97250(a)r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: >>> >>> >> >On Oct 3, 12:45 pm, j...(a)specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >> >> In sci.physics Rich Grise <r...(a)example.net> wrote: >>> >>> >> snip >>> >>> >> >The hydrogen is sent through teflon coated pipelines at high >>> >> >presure >>> >> >to underground strorage in old oil wells. The US has over 1 >>> >> >million >>> >> >of them. A 100 day supply is retained for system stability. >>> >> >Oil is produced from these wells and separated in traps and the >>> >> >hydrogen is purified with molecular sieves (ceramic filters >>> >> >with tiny pores that allow hydrogen to pass and no other gases >>> >> >to pass) >>> >>> >> 1 million? So we have drilled 20 per day for the last 136.986 >>> >> years (roughly) ? >>> >>> >> rubbish! >>> >>> > Rubbish is in the eye of the beholder, and I do not behold >>> > rubbish. >>> >>> > William Mook's perfectly good idea should buy us a few spare >>> > decades worth of spendy access to our very own raw fossil fuel >>> > (though a shame >>> > to waste all of that nifty H2). However, I was thinking of more >>> > like setting up 100 of my 4+MW tower units per day, if necessary >>> > we'd also import those required 10,000 assembly/installation >>> > workers at far less than $.10/dollar, especially since it's all >>> > way too complicated for the naysay likes of yourself, and besides >>> > by then our dollar may not even be worth $.50 anyway. >>> > - Brad Guth - >>> >>> Perception here is the issue. Everybody who has tried to beat >>> standard physics has failed. If you know so much better, build it; >>> on your own money. Then, when it works, you may speak. You are >>> reminded of Pons and Fleischman. Everybody who tried to duplicate >>> the result failed. Until then go away. >> >> Prototypes plus actual installations that function have been built, >> and the likes of William Mook and myself tend to stick within the >> regular laws of physics and otherwise put to good use the best >> available science, such as those fuel cells running so nicely on >> natural gas hasn't polluted the environment or taken a bite out of >> our badly overloaded grid that's getting mostly electron pumped via >> coal plus h2o and extensively N2 fired, of which that nasty coal >> obviously works as long as we don't mind a few thousand dead coal >> miners per year, accepting global gigatonnes worth of CO2 and >> otherwise butt loads of NOx and many other sorts of nasty elements >> contributed down- wind or put back into surface and ground water, as >> well as taken such volumes of having outright consumed and/or >> vaporised precious fresh water. >> >> Those 4+ MW producing towers have been a done deal in other parts of >> this world that are not nearly as all-knowing arrogant and bigoted >> as you'll find right here within this usenet cesspool of naysayers >> in denial about everything that rocks their status quo good ship >> LOLLIPOP, and it's mostly a Jewish ship of fools and/or rusemasters >> to boot. >> - Brad Guth - > >So where are your products? You allege _you_ have built them and that >they work. Where are they? Many of us would like to test them to >verify your claims. Your extraordinary claims require extraordinary >backup, as you have been told before. >Otherwise, see "your problem is obvious". Brad and Willie both appear to be usenet frauds, amateur schemers and impostors. This syndrome is surprisingly common. And their nonsense is off-topic in s.e.d. They should go somewhere more sympathetic to their dreams and less critical of their numbers. If I'm wrong, they can post links to their accomplishments. Things of the scale they claim, can't be kept private. John
From: John Larkin on 5 Oct 2007 14:00 On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:33:37 GMT, Rich Grise <rich(a)example.net> wrote: >On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:33:35 -0400, Jamie wrote: >> John Larkin wrote: > >>> That's interesting. >>> >>> In 4.5 years, they generated about 16 MWH of electricity, worth around >>> $1.2 megabucks. And they paid $2.8M for equipment and $1.7M for fuel. >>> >>> It looks like there was a lot of maintanance costs, too. >>> >> John, I neglected to leave out the type of fuel cell generator just to >> lure someone in on this conversation and it did work. :) >> >> Actually, from what I was told. They save money compared to what it >> would cost if they had to heat the water, facility and generate >> electricity separately. And I guess the savings are very >> large in that respect. > >Hasn't anyone ever taught you guys to snip? > Nah, we all have spiffy things called "scroll bars." John
From: Rich Grise on 5 Oct 2007 15:10 On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 10:28:40 -0700, John Larkin wrote: > On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:20:01 GMT, Rich Grise <rich(a)example.net> wrote: >>On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:37:59 -0700, John Larkin wrote: >>> On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:56:39 GMT, Rich Grise <rich(a)example.net> wrote: >> >>>>Although, you can't put solar panels on top of Everest, if they >>>>get in the way of the LIM mass-driver spacecraft launcher. ;-) >>> >>> Not to mention the winds, which hit 180 mph or something. >>> >>> Speaking of wind, this is really scairy: >>> >>> http://www.solarray.com/TechGuides/Racks_T.php >> >>Do you mean "scary"? > > I give you refrigerator magnets, and that's the thanks I get. Hey, I'm only trying to help. I'm a little O/C about spelling. ;-) Cheers! Rich
From: John Larkin on 5 Oct 2007 15:45 On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:10:26 GMT, Rich Grise <rich(a)example.net> wrote: >On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 10:28:40 -0700, John Larkin wrote: >> On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:20:01 GMT, Rich Grise <rich(a)example.net> wrote: >>>On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:37:59 -0700, John Larkin wrote: >>>> On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:56:39 GMT, Rich Grise <rich(a)example.net> wrote: >>> >>>>>Although, you can't put solar panels on top of Everest, if they >>>>>get in the way of the LIM mass-driver spacecraft launcher. ;-) >>>> >>>> Not to mention the winds, which hit 180 mph or something. >>>> >>>> Speaking of wind, this is really scairy: >>>> >>>> http://www.solarray.com/TechGuides/Racks_T.php >>> >>>Do you mean "scary"? >> >> I give you refrigerator magnets, and that's the thanks I get. > >Hey, I'm only trying to help. I'm a little O/C about spelling. ;-) > And I can't type. We have a problem here, Houston. John
From: Rich Grise on 5 Oct 2007 16:11
On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 12:45:38 -0700, John Larkin wrote: > On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:10:26 GMT, Rich Grise <rich(a)example.net> wrote: >>On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 10:28:40 -0700, John Larkin wrote: >>> On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:20:01 GMT, Rich Grise <rich(a)example.net> wrote: >>>>On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:37:59 -0700, John Larkin wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:56:39 GMT, Rich Grise <rich(a)example.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>Although, you can't put solar panels on top of Everest, if they >>>>>>get in the way of the LIM mass-driver spacecraft launcher. ;-) >>>>> >>>>> Not to mention the winds, which hit 180 mph or something. >>>>> >>>>> Speaking of wind, this is really scairy: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.solarray.com/TechGuides/Racks_T.php >>>> >>>>Do you mean "scary"? >>> >>> I give you refrigerator magnets, and that's the thanks I get. >> >>Hey, I'm only trying to help. I'm a little O/C about spelling. ;-) > > And I can't type. We have a problem here, Houston. Like the gal applying for the secretary job? The boss asks how fast she can type, she says, "Oh, about 5 words a minute" The boss says, "Are you just a hunt-n-peck'er?" She says, "No, I really need the job." --- Playboy's Party Jokes, ca 1970's Cheers! Rich |