The future of Java
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From: Qu0ll on 20 Nov 2009 07:34 Interesting article on the future of Java: http://infoworld.com/d/developer-world/java-what-does-its-future-hold-978?page=0,0 -- And loving it, -Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct) _________________________________________________ Qu0llSixFour(a)gmail.com [Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me]
From: Roedy Green on 20 Nov 2009 10:49 On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:34:11 +1100, "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour(a)gmail.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : > >http://infoworld.com/d/developer-world/java-what-does-its-future-hold-978?page=0,0 Sun has been an unusually generous company. I have often puzzled why a corporation would give away so much. Oracle has a much more rapacious philosophy -- lock the customers in then apply the screws upping annual fees. There is bound to be some friction between these two philosophies. I hope the deal falls through. Mergers are almost never good for customers. -- Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products http://mindprod.com Finding a bug is a sign you were asleep a the switch when coding. Stop debugging, and go back over your code line by line.
From: Tom Anderson on 20 Nov 2009 11:21 On Fri, 20 Nov 2009, Roedy Green wrote: > On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:34:11 +1100, "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour(a)gmail.com> > wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : > >> http://infoworld.com/d/developer-world/java-what-does-its-future-hold-978?page=0,0 > > Sun has been an unusually generous company. I have often puzzled why a > corporation would give away so much. > > Oracle has a much more rapacious philosophy -- lock the customers in > then apply the screws upping annual fees. Although they're good to developers - developer licenses for their products (the ones we use, which includes the big database, anyway) are free. It's a sensible strategy: make it easy for developers to get involved and build loads of stuff, then charge people who actually need to use it. This is exactly why Sun pushed java in the first place: they wanted developers to write software in a language that would run on their servers. Presumably, because they thought there was a threat that Microsoft would get in with some proprietary language and lock them out, or because they wanted to invade the space then held by IBM. > There is bound to be some friction between these two philosophies. Yes. Sun were happy to give away the software for the production side - you could get a production-quality software stack from Sun for free, including OS, JVM and app server. If Sunacle applied their model to java, then we'd see a free JVM and app server suitable for development, but not for deployment - for that, you'd have to pay. Perhaps we'll see Sunacle switch resources away from OpenJDK, and start maintaining a for-pay branch which gets all the new performance goodies. Or just refuse to support the free JDK in production environments; often, that's enough to persuade a corporate user to stump up for a paid version. tom -- If it ain't broke, open it up and see what makes it so bloody special.
From: Arne Vajhøj on 20 Nov 2009 19:48 Roedy Green wrote: > On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:34:11 +1100, "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour(a)gmail.com> > wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : > >> http://infoworld.com/d/developer-world/java-what-does-its-future-hold-978?page=0,0 > > Sun has been an unusually generous company. I have often puzzled why a > corporation would give away so much. Mostly because they could not make money from it. > Oracle has a much more rapacious philosophy -- lock the customers in > then apply the screws upping annual fees. Oracle has lots of free stuff as well. Oracle makes money from highend software. SUN makes money from hardware. Neither gives away what they make money on. > There is bound to be some friction between these two philosophies. Not different philosophies just different business areas. I will not rule out conflicts between SW and HW parts of the new combined company though. > I hope the deal falls through. That would be extremely bad for Java. SUN would be toast if the merger falls. Their finances were not that good before (else they would not have been put up for sale!) and now IBM and HP has lured away a slice of customers. Arne
From: Arne Vajhøj on 20 Nov 2009 19:50
Qu0ll wrote: > Interesting article on the future of Java: > > http://infoworld.com/d/developer-world/java-what-does-its-future-hold-978?page=0,0 I think it is more of a summary of what is known than actually providing new angles. Arne |