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From: Hatunen on 28 Feb 2010 17:22 On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 06:57:41 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim(a)verizon.net> wrote: >There's no such thing as "a Catechism." When I was little, the few >Catholics I knew had to memorize something called "the Baltimore >Catechism," which had no parallel whatsoever in either my Presbyterian >church or my Episcopal school. The term may not have been explicitly used, but see http://www.pcusa.org/catech/studycat.htm and http://anglicansonline.org/basics/catechism.html >The Baltimore Catechism, however, was >rendered obsolete by Vatican II. I don't know what "a Catechism" would >be, fifty years later. Hm. See http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/ccc_toc.htm Google reveals many, many more pointers to - catholic catechism - -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen(a)cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
From: Peter Moylan on 28 Feb 2010 17:26 Skitt wrote: > Hatunen wrote: >> "Peter T. Daniels" wrote: > >>> I wonder whether sjedvnull would be satisfied with, If you're >>> baptized in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, then >>> you're a Christian. >> >> There are those who claim so. > > Just to provide some data -- I was so baptized (at the age of 16), but > it didn't make me a Christian, at least, not in my beliefs. I mean, > even if I do or say certain things, maybe my fingers are crossed behind > my back. <g> > At my confirmation my fingers definitely were crossed. In addition, I was muttering under my breath "a promise made under duress is not legally binding". Nobody asked me whether I wanted to be baptised or confirmed, and in any case I was too young to make an informed decision. Especially in the case of the baptism. -- Peter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia. http://www.pmoylan.org For an e-mail address, see my web page.
From: Robert Bannister on 28 Feb 2010 17:50 Evan Kirshenbaum wrote: > Robert Bannister <robban1(a)bigpond.com> writes: > >> Brian M. Scott wrote: >>> On 23 Feb 2010 17:41:22 -0800, R H Draney >>> <dadoctah(a)spamcop.net> wrote in >>> <news:hm204201q19(a)drn.newsguy.com> in >>> sci.math,sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.lang,alt.usage.english: >>> >>>> Robert Bannister filted: >>>>> The eternal rift between morning and evening people. I >>>>> get very ratty when politicians force me to get up in >>>>> the dark more often than need be, whereas I think >>>>> dinner is best eaten when it is dark outside. >>>> Quite right...I had breakfast yesterday at noon, and >>>> dinner at midnight....r >>> That sounds about right, though my dinner might well be >>> later than that. >> This reminds me of difficulties I had in reading some Russian >> novels: "breakfast" was 2-4 pm, supper at midnight and dinner in the >> early hours of the morning. > > Well, they *are* in a different time zone. > Very good, but you knew I was referring to Russian aristocrats. -- Rob Bannister
From: Hatunen on 28 Feb 2010 17:57 On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 11:12:37 -0800, "Skitt" <skitt99(a)comcast.net> wrote: >Evan Kirshenbaum wrote: >> "Skitt" writes: >>> Peter T. Daniels wrote: >>> Not to use, but there was some sort of commitment that had to be >>> expressed to join the Y. >> >> If so, they changed their policy by the time I started taking swimming >> lessons there in the '60s. My family were members, but we wouldn't >> have made any statement that expressed an affiliation with >> Christianity. > >I was referring to the 1949-1953 period. Things may have changed since >then. Their Web site still mentions: > >Our Mission: >To put Christian principles into practice through programs that build >healthy spirit, mind and body for all. That can be done without requiring a commitment to the recipient of the use of those principles. Even atheists can fit into that. -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen(a)cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
From: Hatunen on 28 Feb 2010 17:59
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 18:57:10 -0500, "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott(a)csuohio.edu> wrote: >On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 07:39:18 +0800, Robert Bannister ><robban1(a)bigpond.com> wrote in ><news:7utop8F9fbU1(a)mid.individual.net> in >sci.math,sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.lang,alt.usage.english: > >[...] > >> But not for so much of the year. That's what bugs me >> personally about the the change: I am a morning person; >> I get up at 5:30 and try to arrive at the gym before >> 6:15. I know that for quite a few months of the year, I >> will have to do this in the dark, but it is so refreshing >> when (without daylight saving) we get those few months >> of light, plus at that time of the morning, it's usually >> still pleasantly cool before the thermometer goes >> soaring up. [...] > >That may be another point of contention: pleasantly cool >means about 25�, and really good weather starts at about >30�. And 5:30 or 6:15 is a nice time to go to bed. I do hope you mean celsius degrees. (And to think so many people claim it's Americans who don't realize TWIAVBP.) -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen(a)cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |