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From: Peter Moylan on 4 Mar 2010 07:15 John Holmes wrote: > PaulJK wrote: >> >> When I lived in Toorak, Melbourne Cup Day was definitely >> a paid state holiday. > > I don't think so. It has only ever been a holiday in the Melbourne area, > not statewide. Once you are more than about 80-100 km from Melbourne, > you find they have their own country race day or agricultural show day > local holidays on other dates instead. > Agreed. Melbourne Cup Day has never been a holiday in NSW. -- Peter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia. http://www.pmoylan.org For an e-mail address, see my web page.
From: Andrew Usher on 4 Mar 2010 13:10 Transfer Principle wrote: > Yes, the only official name of the mid-February federal > holiday is Washington's Birthday. As was pointed out > earlier in the thread, Washington's Birthday can never > fall on his actual birthday (which was February 22nd > Gregorian, though when Washington was born Britain and > its colonies were still on the Julian calendar). Strange, isn't it? I can't understand why Lincoln got screwed! > Many school districts take off two Mondays in February, > one each for Lincoln and Washington. Obviously practice varies here; I don't remember two Mondays off. > Notice that in the Usher reform plan, the federal > holiday would fall in the February 16th-22nd range, > rather than the current 15th-21st range. Thus the > Usher Washington's Birthday can actually fall on > Washington's birthday, unlike the current holiday. OK, I've added this to my calendar. I said originally that all holidays that are now taken on Monday etc. should be fixed to a particular week of my calendar. > Moving from California to Louisiana, it was pointed > out that many Louisianans take Shrove Tuesday (i.e., > Mardi Gras) off. But this is awkward since after the > weekend of Saturday and Sunday, there's a single day > of work on Monday before the Tuesday holiday. In the > Usher plan, Mardi Gras, being 47 days before the > Usher Easter (April 5th-11th), would fall in the > February 17th-23rd range -- in other words, it's > always one day after Usher Wasington's Birthday. So > Louisianans would always have a full four-day weekend > under the Usher plan (Sat-Sun-Washington-Mardi Gras). That's right but it's not terribly surprising because they are, after all, tied to the same week in that case. I suppose it would matter less outside Louisiana, but at least it wouldn't hurt. That was the point of me using the Christian holidays, and I can't understand why Peter Daniels wouldn't understand that. > Notice that the two major public university systems in > California (UC and CSU) no longer tie their spring > breaks to Easter (as is traditional). Instead, spring > break in these two university systems is now the week > that contains Chavez Day. This reflects a current trend > across the nation (and possibly the globe) of having > spring break appear at a fixed point in the term, > rather than tied to Easter with its five-week swing. It's also because US universities have changed to the semester system that they generally want their break during March, to be more nearly toward the middle of the semester. > Under the Usher plan, Easter appears at a fixed point > in the term, and so many schools and universities might > return to having spring break contain Easter if we were > to use the Usher plan. I'm not sure. Perhaps it is feared that there would be too much rowdy and chaotic behavior if all college students in the country got off at the same time. > I'm not sure what California > would do, since the latest Usher Easter is eleven days > after Chavez Day. Of course, since Washington's Birthday > isn't always on February 22nd, Chavez's Birthday need > not always be observed on March 31st. The observed > holiday might fall on the Monday after Palm Sunday, so > that the spring break can always include both Chavez > Day and Holy Week. This is correct; if Chavez Day is to be observed as an official holiday, I suppose there shouldn't be a problem fixing it to Monday. Andrew Usher
From: Peter T. Daniels on 4 Mar 2010 13:40 On Mar 4, 1:10 pm, Andrew Usher <k_over_hb...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Transfer Principle wrote: > > Yes, the only official name of the mid-February federal > > holiday is Washington's Birthday. As was pointed out > > earlier in the thread, Washington's Birthday can never > > fall on his actual birthday (which was February 22nd > > Gregorian, though when Washington was born Britain and > > its colonies were still on the Julian calendar). > > Strange, isn't it? I can't understand why Lincoln got screwed! > > > Many school districts take off two Mondays in February, > > one each for Lincoln and Washington. > > Obviously practice varies here; I don't remember two Mondays off. In my school, Lincoln's Birthday was Fathers Day, and if Washington's Birthday was a holiday, it was observed on February 22 (as everywhere else). > > Notice that in the Usher reform plan, the federal > > holiday would fall in the February 16th-22nd range, > > rather than the current 15th-21st range. Thus the > > Usher Washington's Birthday can actually fall on > > Washington's birthday, unlike the current holiday. > > OK, I've added this to my calendar. I said originally that all > holidays that are now taken on Monday etc. should be fixed to a > particular week of my calendar. > > > Moving from California to Louisiana, it was pointed > > out that many Louisianans take Shrove Tuesday (i.e., > > Mardi Gras) off. But this is awkward since after the > > weekend of Saturday and Sunday, there's a single day > > of work on Monday before the Tuesday holiday. In the > > Usher plan, Mardi Gras, being 47 days before the > > Usher Easter (April 5th-11th), would fall in the > > February 17th-23rd range -- in other words, it's > > always one day after Usher Wasington's Birthday. So > > Louisianans would always have a full four-day weekend > > under the Usher plan (Sat-Sun-Washington-Mardi Gras). > > That's right but it's not terribly surprising because they are, after > all, tied to the same week in that case. I suppose it would matter > less outside Louisiana, but at least it wouldn't hurt. That was the > point of me using the Christian holidays, and I can't understand why > Peter Daniels wouldn't understand that. You, as a secular (non)authority, have no business meddling in setting the days or dates of religious observations. I'm not sure what it is you think I didn't understand. > > Notice that the two major public university systems in > > California (UC and CSU) no longer tie their spring > > breaks to Easter (as is traditional). Instead, spring > > break in these two university systems is now the week > > that contains Chavez Day. This reflects a current trend > > across the nation (and possibly the globe) of having > > spring break appear at a fixed point in the term, > > rather than tied to Easter with its five-week swing. > > It's also because US universities have changed to the semester system > that they generally want their break during March, to be more nearly > toward the middle of the semester. "Changed"?
From: Adam Funk on 4 Mar 2010 15:39 On 2010-03-02, Peter T. Daniels wrote: > On Mar 2, 2:34 pm, Nick <3-nos...(a)temporary-address.org.uk> wrote: >> "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...(a)verizon.net> writes: >> >> > On Mar 2, 3:04 am, Nick <3-nos...(a)temporary-address.org.uk> wrote: >> >> "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...(a)verizon.net> writes: >> >> >> > Then where are you posting from? >> >> >> You're the persistent Google groups user IIRC. Look it up, or don't >> >> ^ >> Look! There's another one. Whenever you quote me there's a little >> underscore-like character appears where the second of my double spaces >> are. > > I see a caret. It has never happened when I quote any other poster, so > it's not me. Google groupers' FUs usually have a bunch of 0xA0 characters. -- Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public. [Mencken]
From: R H Draney on 4 Mar 2010 16:25
Adam Funk filted: > >On 2010-03-02, Peter T. Daniels wrote: > >> On Mar 2, 2:34 pm, Nick <3-nos...(a)temporary-address.org.uk> wrote: >>> "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...(a)verizon.net> writes: >>> >>> > On Mar 2, 3:04 am, Nick <3-nos...(a)temporary-address.org.uk> wrote: >>> >> "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...(a)verizon.net> writes: >>> >>> >> > Then where are you posting from? >>> >>> >> You're the persistent Google groups user IIRC. Look it up, or don't >>> >>> ^ >>> Look! There's another one. Whenever you quote me there's a little >>> underscore-like character appears where the second of my double spaces >>> are. >> >> I see a caret. It has never happened when I quote any other poster, so >> it's not me. > >Google groupers' FUs usually have a bunch of 0xA0 characters. And a "Show quoted text"/"Hide quoted text" skidmark....r -- "Oy! A cat made of lead cannot fly." - Mark Brader declaims a basic scientific principle |