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From: Bob Gerber on 29 May 2010 20:00
On Sat, 29 May 2010 10:14:53 -0700, Winston <Winston(a)bigbrother.net>
wrote:

> Grab the hot lead of a scope probe and observe the
> display. This is the source of the addresses and
> data. (Mostly EM fields from fluorescent lights,
> transformers, E fields from transmitters near and
> far, various switching pulses and the electrical
> discharges obtained by scooting two metal lab chairs
> together, for example.)


Perhaps you didn't notice, but Dr. Tiller provides a Faraday cage with
the device to shield against EMI.

Bob Gerber
From: Winston on 29 May 2010 21:16
On 5/29/2010 3:43 PM, hamilton wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> The osc is powered in the smaller schematic, the +V coming off C1 in
> fugure 3 of jse_13_2_dibble.pdf.
>
> The three EEPROM version is missing this wire.
>
> You will need to give credit to the designer for not cut-n-pasting
> correctly.
>
> So squint your eyes a little and the wire will appear.
>
>
> ;-)
>
> I do not think a RAM chip will work in this application.

Sure! Why wouldn't this work, for example?
http://www.cs.uml.edu/~fredm/courses/91.305/files/cy6264.pdf

Just keep toggling !Write and you are good to go.

> If I remember correctly, didn't the Intel 28xxx family have an internal
> Vpp generator in it ??

Completely possible. (I dunno.)
>
> If this circuit is going to generate odd signals, won't the Vpp
> generator be critical ??

Not at all.
The memory merely records it's interpretation of the voltages
that float on it's address and data pins.

> I have google'd and still have not found an original Intel 2864 data
> wheel to check out.
> Does any one have a link to such a beast.

Many many parts would serve the purpose IMHO.

--Winston
From: Winston on 29 May 2010 21:19
On 5/29/2010 1:37 PM, Frank Buss wrote:
> Winston wrote:
>
>> 1) As hamilton mentioned, the EEPROM devices are likely
>> to be Intel 2864. The Intersil X28HC64 would probably
>> work as well, (as would just about any parallel static
>> RAM, provided you had a continuous supply of Vdd).
>>
>> Select for low pin capacitance if you want a large
>> range of 'imprinted' data values.
>>
>> Of course the contents of each of these devices
>> exposed to the same 'imprinting' session will be
>> a function of the time varying electrostatic
>> field integrated into the capacitance of each of
>> the pins. A roomful of IIEDs are likely to contain
>> wildly differing data from the same 'imprinting'
>> session. It's the nature of asynchronously recording
>> chaotic noise in wildly misleading sequence.
>
> It's not the data in the EEPROM, it is the "subtle energy". In
> http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_13_2_dibble.pdf he writes
> at PDF page 2:

Then why bother 'imprinting' the memory at all?

I'm not being asked to throw away $250 here, am I?

Perish the thought.

--Winston

From: Winston on 29 May 2010 21:34
On 5/29/2010 5:00 PM, Bob Gerber wrote:
> On Sat, 29 May 2010 10:14:53 -0700, Winston<Winston(a)bigbrother.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Grab the hot lead of a scope probe and observe the
>> display. This is the source of the addresses and
>> data. (Mostly EM fields from fluorescent lights,
>> transformers, E fields from transmitters near and
>> far, various switching pulses and the electrical
>> discharges obtained by scooting two metal lab chairs
>> together, for example.)
>
>
> Perhaps you didn't notice, but Dr. Tiller provides a Faraday cage with
> the device to shield against EMI.

I noticed that the IIED is placed in a Faraday cage only during
data collection and during the time that the device is not
in use. During 'imprinting' the device is out in the real
world.

From page 4 of http://tillerfoundation.com/White%20Paper%20II.pdf

"The process began by placing the UED and its power converter
(plugged into a 60 cycle wall outlet and to each other with the UED
switched on) on a table-top around which the meditators sat
quietly."

No Faraday cage in the picture. :)

--Winston
From: Bob Gerber on 30 May 2010 07:56
On Sat, 29 May 2010 18:16:12 -0700, Winston <Winston(a)bigbrother.net>
wrote:


>Many many parts would serve the purpose IMHO.
>
>--Winston


Any chance someone on the group could post an equivalent working
circuit for this device, based upon the two published schematics
below, and using commonly available parts?

http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_13_2_dibble.pdf

http://tillerfoundation.com/White%20Paper%20II.pdf

Then anyone who wants to prove or disprove Dr. Tiller's claims can try
it for themselves.

To my mind, that would be a worthwhile outcome for this discussion.

Bob Gerber

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