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From: Greegor on 29 May 2010 02:15
Thanks, Winston, follow up sent.

from Greg Hanson < greegor47gmail >
to bill at tillerorg
date Sat, May 29, 2010 at 12:58 AM
subject UED Schematic and parts list? addenda

William A. Tiller Foundation For New Science

Dr.William A.Tiller, et alia:

This is a follow up or addenda to an earlier e-mail.
The first one is quoted at the bottom.

One of my associates found a slightly clearer version of
the schematic at:

http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_13_2_dibble.pdf

Still, do you have a more precise parts list?

I see the oscillators are 7.3 MHz for the one and
5, 8 and 9.3 MHz for the three. (Does the order matter?)
Nothing says the make and models of the oscillators.

Which make and model of EEPROM chips were used?

Less important but for authenticity, what are the
Resistor values , type of op amp, type of diode,
and composition of capacitor?

Would you have some really close up photos
of the circuit board showing all of the
component types you used?

Have the newer NIMH rechargeable batteries
functioned the same with this design?

Greg Hanson
Greegor47 at gmail



On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Greg Hanson < greegor47 at gmail >
wrote:
> William A. Tiller Foundation For New Science
>
> Dr.William A.Tiller, et alia:
>
> Some associates of mine have taken an interest in
> your document entitled:
> "Steps for Moving Psychoenergetics Science Research Into
> the Hands of Interested General Public Researchers".
>
> This paper is at:
> http://tillerfoundation.com/White%20Paper%20II.pdf
>
> Figure 1 on page 3 is 2 electronic schematic
> diagrams of devices you named UED or
> unimprinted electrical device for
> Intention-Host Device Research.
>
> The schematic is blurry and unclear in critical areas.
> This is unusual for PDF documents.
>
> Do you have a better digital copy of the schematics,
> and a parts list available online to the general public?
>
> Greg Hanson
> Greegor47 at gmail
From: Baron on 29 May 2010 09:04
ehsjr Inscribed thus:

> Bob Gerber wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 May 2010 15:25:37 -0700, Tim Wescott
>> <tim(a)seemywebsite.now> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Can anyone please tell me exactly what this circuit is, in
>>>>electronic terms, and how it could possibly function as described in
>>>>the linked report below?
>>
>>
>>>I hope this helps your understanding.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I respect your opinion, but given that you are an engineer can you
>> please describe to us what this circuit actually is, and what
>> function it performs, at least in conventional terms?
>>
>> http://tillerfoundation.com/White%20Paper%20II.pdf
>>
>> Scroll down to page three to see the ckts.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Bob Gerber
>>
>
>
> It's a multiplier. It creates a product (the white paper)
> by multiplying the authors' thoughts times the
> substance found at the south end of a north bound horse,
> to create more of the same. Impossible to say precisely
> how it operates, because, as others have mentioned, the
> diagram is (intentionaly) unreadable.
>
> Ed

In other words "Horseshit" !

--
Best Regards:
Baron.
From: hamilton on 29 May 2010 10:48
On 5/28/2010 10:50 PM, Winston wrote:
> On 5/28/2010 6:42 PM, hamilton wrote:
>> On 5/28/2010 3:38 PM, Bill Beaty wrote:
>>> On May 27, 2:54 pm, bobger...(a)protonex.com (Bob Gerber) wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Bill Tiller is a respected scientist, but I can't figure this one out.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Because probing into the Unknown must necessarily involve unknowns,
>>> the line between revolutionary discovery and crackpot delusion is
>>> fuzzy.
>>
>> If Bill had used terms that are standard and not delusion he would get
>> more credit.
>>
>> It sounds like he wants to jump over science.
>
> Just in case we have not beaten the dead horse sufficiently,
> I stumbled across legible copies of the schematic.
>
> 1) Turns out the device I was calling an 'oscillator' is
> just a 3 terminal 5V regulator. The mystery symbol connected
> to the !Write pin of the EEPROM is the oscillator.
> I am relieved that the good Dr. is not banging the power to
> the EEPROM as I earlier supposed.
>
> 2) The LED is not a Write indicator as I guessed previously.
> It glows continuously to indicate the presence of Vdd
> and will turn off to indicate that the battery needs to
> be recharged. The op amp and voltage divider mystery
> is solved.
>
> The schematic is part of a 22 page document that starts on "Page 155".
> See figure 3 on "Page 160":
>
> http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_13_2_dibble.pdf
>
> --Winston

I see Tiller wrote his paper 10 years after Dibble ??

Thanks for the link, this is getting more "interesting" all the time.

I will search thru my scrape box and see if I have any NMOS EEPROMs left
over.

If anyone has actually read the text, is there any code in the EEPROM or
just blank (all FFs) ?

The OSC symbols are kind of wrong, they look like crystals or resonators.

I guess scientists don't need to follow standards.

hamilton

From: hamilton on 29 May 2010 10:59
On 5/29/2010 8:48 AM, hamilton wrote:
> On 5/28/2010 10:50 PM, Winston wrote:
>> http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_13_2_dibble.pdf
>>
>> --Winston
>
> I see Tiller wrote his paper 10 years after Dibble ??
>
> Thanks for the link, this is getting more "interesting" all the time.
>
> I will search thru my scrape box and see if I have any NMOS EEPROMs left
> over.
>
> If anyone has actually read the text, is there any code in the EEPROM or
> just blank (all FFs) ?
>
> The OSC symbols are kind of wrong, they look like crystals or resonators.
>
> I guess scientists don't need to follow standards.
>
> hamilton
>

Sorry if this was posted previously:

http://www.tillerfoundation.com/UED.php

hamilton
From: Winston on 29 May 2010 13:14
On 5/28/2010 11:15 PM, Greegor wrote:
> Thanks, Winston, follow up sent.

Hi Greg,

Dr. Bill is unlikely to provide much more information
than he has already. This is 'bad news for Science'
but actually does not matter at all. I think we
have a sufficiently good idea of the design intent that
we can fill in the missing information.

1) As hamilton mentioned, the EEPROM devices are likely
to be Intel 2864. The Intersil X28HC64 would probably
work as well, (as would just about any parallel static
RAM, provided you had a continuous supply of Vdd).

Select for low pin capacitance if you want a large
range of 'imprinted' data values.

Of course the contents of each of these devices
exposed to the same 'imprinting' session will be
a function of the time varying electrostatic
field integrated into the capacitance of each of
the pins. A roomful of IIEDs are likely to contain
wildly differing data from the same 'imprinting'
session. It's the nature of asynchronously recording
chaotic noise in wildly misleading sequence.

Grab the hot lead of a scope probe and observe the
display. This is the source of the addresses and
data. (Mostly EM fields from fluorescent lights,
transformers, E fields from transmitters near and
far, various switching pulses and the electrical
discharges obtained by scooting two metal lab chairs
together, for example.)

2) You can select oscillator values bounded by the
minimum and maximum !Write pulse widths of the
memory devices you choose. They are all asynchronous
so any value that writes to the memor(ies) will do.
The order does not matter.

3) Select the resistor values to provide < Vdd at the
inverting input of the op amp when the battery discharges
to within a few percent of the dropout voltage of
the regulator.

4) Any low voltage op amp capable of single rail operation
and ~> 4 mA of I(ol) will do.

5) Specify a 5V LED (with built-in dropping resistor) if
you want to remain faithful to the documentation.
If functionality and cost are more important to you,
just grab any LED out of your junk box and install a
series dropping resistor calculated to limit LED current
below 60% of the I(ol) capability of the op amp.

6) Check the data sheet for your three terminal regulator
for the specification of the output bypass capacitor.

7) Any secondary battery meeting the input voltage
requirements of your 3 terminal regulator, capable of
powering the circuit for the duration of 'imprinting'
and data download will do.

8) Pay careless attention to PCB layout.

A UED PCB designed 'properly' will not yield 'imprinting'
data values that differ significantly because of the lower
impedance present on the address and data pins.

Ideal construction is 'ratsnest' with random length wires
attached to each address and data pin to act as an antenna.



--Winston
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