Upgrading Macs
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From: Peter Ceresole on 9 Apr 2010 08:18 T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > Part of why I feel very comfortable around (most) desktop PC's is that > you can generally replace *everything* and do so very cheaply. I'd rather have what has been *my* Mac experience; it has always worked as advertised, software updates are very simple, the only hardware updates I have wanted to do are RAM, and those are dead easy too. Yes, when I built a PeeCee I fiddled and faffed with it, but I outgrew that. -- Peter
From: T i m on 9 Apr 2010 09:03 On Fri, 9 Apr 2010 13:18:44 +0100, peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk (Peter Ceresole) wrote: >T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > >> Part of why I feel very comfortable around (most) desktop PC's is that >> you can generally replace *everything* and do so very cheaply. > >I'd rather have what has been *my* Mac experience; Were we talking about Mac experiences or upgradability? > it has always worked >as advertised, Yup (PC / MAC). >software updates are very simple, Agreed? (PC/Mac/Linux) although Woody might not quite agree atm. ;-) > the only hardware >updates I have wanted to do are RAM, and those are dead easy too. Of course and as I mentioned (some people don't want to do such etc). > >Yes, when I built a PeeCee I fiddled and faffed with it, Hmm, that description sounds like it comes from someone who didn't really know what they were doing? ;-) > but I outgrew >that. I know all about that, my Dad is old and can't cope with non-idiot-proof or technical stuff either now. Like he wouldn't upgrade his Mac himself nor even update his GPS (if he even had one) <weg>. See, what I call 'faffing' is having to open my computer with a putty knife, or stick a mouse back together with superglue after I'd just cleaned it, of suffer returning kit to the shop because the plastics keep cracking or discolouring or to have the battery changed or not to be able to get a spare part easily or cheaply and fit it myself when I wanted. etc etc. This is especially so when I've paid top dollar for something. I already said that playing with this stuff isn't for everyone but if it is, Apple kit is probably less flexible than PC stuff (once past the basic stuff). FWIW, once built my PC's tend to stay as-is so I'm not constantly 'faffing' with them (nor want to be). However, if I should need / want to I have the choice. This (need) can come down to money. Some people have the wherewithal to throw say �1500 at a 'computer' and be able to afford to 1) have it repaired at a specialist place or 2) buy a new one. For the rest of us it's a matter of keeping stuff running at the best possible price (be that computers, cars or wives [1]). ;-) Cheers, T i m
From: Peter Ceresole on 9 Apr 2010 09:12 T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > >Yes, when I built a PeeCee I fiddled and faffed with it, > > Hmm, that description sounds like it comes from someone who didn't > really know what they were doing? ;-) I knew what I was doing all right- and the machines worked. But the point I was making (you did read the post, didn't you T i m?) was that apart from the dead easy things I never neded or wanted to upgrade my Macs. Which is much better than having some kind of DIY system. Getting it right first time. A foreign concept to you, I realise, but do try to grasp it. -- Peter
From: Woody on 9 Apr 2010 09:28 On 09/04/2010 14:03, T i m wrote: > On Fri, 9 Apr 2010 13:18:44 +0100, peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk (Peter > Ceresole) wrote: >> software updates are very simple, > > Agreed? (PC/Mac/Linux) although Woody might not quite agree atm. ;-) No, I am beginning to suspect that it was actually not the upgrade itself (as the last entry in time machine was made with 10.6.3, so it must have restarted ok and then failed sometime later) >> the only hardware >> updates I have wanted to do are RAM, and those are dead easy too. > > Of course and as I mentioned (some people don't want to do such etc). >> >> Yes, when I built a PeeCee I fiddled and faffed with it, > > Hmm, that description sounds like it comes from someone who didn't > really know what they were doing? ;-) Not true, i have fiddled and faffed with many PCs. >> but I outgrew >> that. > > I know all about that, my Dad is old and can't cope with > non-idiot-proof or technical stuff either now. Like he wouldn't > upgrade his Mac himself nor even update his GPS (if he even had one) > <weg>. I am not that old, and cope well with technical stuff. However, I can't be bothered now, I have too much to do and too little time to do it in. Finally after getting to this age i have learned to add a cost to my time, so if it is going to cost more in time than money, I buy it. Unless i enjoy doing it obviously but PC upgrades aren't particularly interesting, compared to other stuff! > I already said that playing with this stuff isn't for everyone but if > it is, Apple kit is probably less flexible than PC stuff (once past > the basic stuff). This is true, although it depends on what you want. I mean PC stuff is less flexible, but you end up with a PC at the end. I did look at putting OSX on this PC (i7 860 8GB 2TB) but it hung at the rebooting stage saying waiting for hardware. Unfortunately the disks are new and there were no easy guides on them, other than I would probably have more luck if I took 4GB memory out, but I can't be bothered that much. Hopefully someone who is me 25 years ago will do the work, and I can copy their guides. >For the rest of us it's a matter of keeping stuff running at the > best possible price (be that computers, cars or wives [1]). ;-) See, I am not sure I would be happy with the cheapest possible wife either! -- Woody
From: T i m on 9 Apr 2010 09:42
On Fri, 9 Apr 2010 14:12:01 +0100, peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk (Peter Ceresole) wrote: >T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > >> >Yes, when I built a PeeCee I fiddled and faffed with it, >> >> Hmm, that description sounds like it comes from someone who didn't >> really know what they were doing? ;-) > >I knew what I was doing all right- and the machines worked. That's ok then. > >But the point I was making (you did read the post, didn't you T i m?) >was that apart from the dead easy things I never neded or wanted to >upgrade my Macs. Ok but how does the fact that you didn't want or need, affect how easy it is (or isn't) to do (for other people)? > Which is much better than having some kind of DIY >system. How do you work that out? The only way a 'DIY' system (which they all are of course unless they were grown) would be worse than a 'bought' system was if it wasn't fit for purpose or if it worked worse than a ready made solution. Not something I've ever experienced (but I have the other way round). > >Getting it right first time. A foreign concept to you, I realise, but do >try to grasp it. LOL! Ok, so, making it simple for you .... things can also change (ok, I know they might not in your world but <g> ..). I buy a machine to A then the world moves on and I now want (need) to do B. How would you deal with that assuming 1) you wanted to and 2) your machine couldn't be 'adapted' to do so (because it was a sealed / closed / proprietary system)? Also, are you saying that if you are lucky enough to be able to afford and select a ready made system that for fills all your needs that's *better* in some way than a system you can easily build or adapt to do the same thing and often more for less is it (particularly if said building is part of the involvement in the project)? BTW, if your 'appliance' level solution was the only one we wouldn't have people starting threads about 'Upgrading Macs' (and have loads of people tell us exactly what upgrades they have applied) eh? ;-) Cheers, T i m |