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From: James Dore on 26 Feb 2010 03:49
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:33:11 -0000, Conor <conor(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote:

> New to Macs - had 20 years of Windows and fancied something completely
> different.
> Anyhow...
>
> On Windows, I used Microplanet Gravity. Is there anything equivalent?
> Unison seems OK but the message threading is a bit poor compared to
> Gravity, i.e subthreads end up on a new subject line whereas Gravity put
> them under a single subject.
>
> Tried to get Thunderbird to work but for some reason it doesn't ask for
> a password when connecting to Eternal-September.org so only shows the
> local groups.
>
> Anyway, getting there slowly. Will no doubt be asking plenty more noob
> questions to annoy everyone.

The closest layout to Gravity I've come across is Opera - the Mail client
handles Usenet too, and the layout is close.

MacSOUP does have a lovely thread map, but the rest of it is byzantine in
complexity.

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From: J. J. Lodder on 26 Feb 2010 04:37
Conor <conor(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote:

> New to Macs - had 20 years of Windows and fancied something completely
> different.
> Anyhow...

You may find you need two of them, one for binary, one for text.

> On Windows, I used Microplanet Gravity. Is there anything equivalent?
> Unison seems OK but the message threading is a bit poor compared to
> Gravity, i.e subthreads end up on a new subject line whereas Gravity
> put them under a single subject.

Unison is primarily a good binary client.
BTW, there is a great difference between v < 2 and v >2
If you tried v1.8.1 or earlier you might want to look again.

> Tried to get Thunderbird to work but for some reason it doesn't ask for
> a password when connecting to Eternal-September.org so only shows the
> local groups.

MacSoup is a very efficient text only newsclient,
once you master the peculiarities and inconsistencies
in the user interface. You really have to RTFM.

Jan
From: Ric on 26 Feb 2010 04:52
On 25 Feb, 23:33, Conor <co...(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote:
> New to Macs - had 20 years of Windows and fancied something completely
> different.
> Anyhow...
>
> On Windows, I used Microplanet Gravity. Is there anything equivalent?
> Unison seems OK but the message threading is a bit poor compared to
> Gravity, i.e subthreads end up on a new subject line whereas Gravity
> put them under a single subject.
>
> Tried to get Thunderbird to work but for some reason it doesn't ask for
> a password when connecting to Eternal-September.org so only shows the
> local groups.
>
> Anyway, getting there slowly. Will no doubt be asking plenty more noob
> questions to annoy everyone.
> --
> Conor
>
> i'm not prejudiced, I hate everyone equally.

alright Conor, good to see you in here, usually it's
uk.comp.homebuilt...

I'm not going to give a recommendation, but I will say that this
question is one of those weird ones which historically has generated a
massive number of threads of differing opinions in this group, worth
having a trawl through the archives via google groups....

Ric
From: Rowland McDonnell on 26 Feb 2010 05:56
Gavin <gwilbyREMOVE(a)stoof.co.uk> wrote:

> jim(a)magrathea.plus.com (Jim) said:
>
> > Conor <conor(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> Tried to get Thunderbird to work but for some reason it doesn't ask for
> >> a password when connecting to Eternal-September.org so only shows the
> >> local groups.
> >
> > Take a look at MacSOUP <http://www.haller-berlin.de/macsoup/>
> >
> > It will initially look like a massively confused mess and it can be as
> > unintuitive as hell,

No software is intuitive in operation. None of it. It's all learnt.
MacSoup's no worse in that line than any other GUI app.

Seriously - it's *NOT* particularly unintuitive, is MacSoup. It's just
as intuitive as all the rest of the software on my Mac: i.e., not at
all, you have to learn it from the manual, just like everything else.
And MacSoup has a manual, which makes it possible to learn to use,
unlike most other software.

> > but for a lot of people here (myself included) it's
> > simply the best newsreader out there assuming you only care about text
> > groups. The graphical thread tree is second to none.
>
> Blimy, not this thread again.

Blimey, someone suprised that a new user might want to ask a normal new
user question! Blimey! What a surprise that you bothered to make some
sort of comment! It's a bit off of you - after all, that sort of
behaviour could put people off asking basic sensible newbie questions!
Blimey!

> With respect I found that MacSOUP was impossible to use, and after
> trying on two seperate occasions I have just simply given up.

[snip]

MacSoup is the only Mac news reader I can cope with using.

But it took about 2-4 weeks of hating it like poison before I got the
hang of it.

Now, you could only get MacSoup away from me by prising it from my cold
dead fingers. Or something like that.

It's the graphical thread display that I can't do without.

However: and I write as someone who's really bad at getting the hang of
new software, MacSoup was very easy to pick up basic use of, and so on.

MacSoup has a good manual, you see. If you follow it, it works. Young
Gavin here strikes me as the sort of person who doesn't read manuals...

Rowland.

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From: J. J. Lodder on 26 Feb 2010 06:01
Gavin <gwilbyREMOVE(a)stoof.co.uk> wrote:

> On 2010-02-26 07:12:12 +0000, jim(a)magrathea.plus.com (Jim) said:
>
> > Conor <conor(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> Tried to get Thunderbird to work but for some reason it doesn't ask for
> >> a password when connecting to Eternal-September.org so only shows the
> >> local groups.
> >
> > Take a look at MacSOUP <http://www.haller-berlin.de/macsoup/>
> >
> > It will initially look like a massively confused mess and it can be as
> > unintuitive as hell, but for a lot of people here (myself included) it's
> > simply the best newsreader out there assuming you only care about text
> > groups. The graphical thread tree is second to none.
>
> Blimy, not this thread again.
>
> With respect I found that MacSOUP was impossible to use, and after
> trying on two seperate occasions I have just simply given up.
>
> Hogwasher is pretty good, but not free.
>
> Thunderbird mimics pretty much how OE handles newsgroups, its not so bad.
>
> But I now use Unison, its looks good and although has a couple of
> annoyances is the one I felt most settled with.
>
> Google Groups will have a thousend posts from this group with this
> topic, I suggest you search for them as it really has been done to
> death.

That's an unkind advice,

Jan
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