VM software for personal use?
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From: B. Alexander on 24 Apr 2010 18:00 Amen to that! IMHO, vmware merely pays lip service to Linux. 12 years ago, when we were using Linux on the job, we (and many, many others) were asking for a Linux client. We are now at VSphere 4, and still only windows clients. VMware server is even worse. It runs on Linux, and it worked okay, but you are frozen in time -- no updates -- lest you break your install. I did that on my vmware server installation, and then I upgraded. I could not get the vmware modules to compile on a reasonably modern kernel. So I went back to an earlier kernel (2.6.30, iirc), and once I got the modules compiled, the web interface only worked about one time in 3. So I am pretty much done with vmware. Now, since I only have 32 bit machines, I guess I'll be doing Xen, since as good as it is, VBox is good for desktop-type virtualization, rather than machine consolidation. Even with it's vboxheadless functionality, its still a bit too dodgy for a group of machines that need to stay up. --b On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Hugo Vanwoerkom <hvw59601(a)care2.com> wrote: > Mark Allums wrote: > >> On 4/23/2010 11:31 AM, Richard Lawrence wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >> >> P.S. Apologies if this question seems too far off-topic for >>> debian-user. If there's a better place to ask this question, I'd like >>> to know that, too. >>> >> >> Virtualbox meets more of your individual criteria than anything else I can >> think of, but the open source edition lacks USB. I would consider the >> non-OSE version for now, but only if I were prepared to migrate to something >> else, later, depending on what Oracle may choose to to with it, now that >> they own Sun. >> >> Some version of QEMU with KVM will always work, but you definitely need >> the KVM bits, because by itself QEMU is not a speed demon. >> >> I enjoy Xen-like hypervisors from an aesthetics point-of-view, but the >> best ones are not free in any sense. Microsoft's Hyper-V flat-out costs >> money, and VMware's ESXi comes with too much baggage. Xen itself is still >> in a state of flux, and though the 2.6.32 kernel version is much more stable >> than previous versions, I wouldn't call it ready for prime time. >> >> > And I am getting tired of always having to look around for fixes to > VMware's server whenever you upgrade your kernel, it appears their Linux > attention leaves something to be desired. > > Hugo > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a > subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/hqvg97$bkp$3(a)dough.gmane.org > >
From: Mark Allums on 25 Apr 2010 02:30 On 4/24/2010 4:27 PM, Andreas Weber wrote: > Andrei Popescu wrote: >> Except for USB the package virtualbox-ose in Debian will meet all your >> requirements. (OSE stands for Open Source Edition) >> >> If USB is a must you can use the repos from Sun (the USB stuff is >> non-free). > > If USB is a must, stick the device in, mount it and open a shared folder > in Virtualbox OSE on the mount point for it. That easy. > That works on disk-like devices, not so much on other things. Some people are scared of shared folders as possible attack vectors, thus security risks. MAA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4BD3E06E.9050809(a)allums.com
From: Andreas Weber on 25 Apr 2010 03:30 Mark Allums wrote: > That works on disk-like devices, not so much on other things. Some > people are scared of shared folders as possible attack vectors, thus > security risks. This is absolutely correct, my answer was too shortsighted, sorry for that. I must confess that for the last 2 years I only had the VM with XP up and running for some very old software, and data + printing from it was all it took. And all other real-life problems work so great with Debian - why bother? ;-)
From: Andrei Popescu on 25 Apr 2010 04:30 On Sat,24.Apr.10, 23:27:03, Andreas Weber wrote: > > If USB is a must, stick the device in, mount it and open a shared folder > in Virtualbox OSE on the mount point for it. That easy. The only time I had to setup the non-OSE version was due to the iPhone not being properly supported on Linux :| Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic
From: Rob Owens on 25 Apr 2010 08:00
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 12:44:21PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Fri,23.Apr.10, 09:31:45, Richard Lawrence wrote: > > > > I am looking to run some virtual machines for personal use: I'd like > ... > > I value: > > - free over non-free > > - ease of use and good documentation over performance > > - installation via apt and reasonable default configuration > > - simple networking on commodity hardware > > - other basic integration with host OS services (perhaps file sharing, > > USB, printing) > > Except for USB the package virtualbox-ose in Debian will meet all your > requirements. (OSE stands for Open Source Edition) > > If USB is a must you can use the repos from Sun (the USB stuff is > non-free). > There's also this, although I've never tried it myself. USB over IP: http://usbip.sourceforge.net/ -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100425115925.GA31835(a)aurora.owens.net |