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From: Hugo Vanwoerkom on 26 Apr 2010 10:40 Ron Johnson wrote: > On 04/25/2010 09:39 PM, John Hasler wrote: >> Glenn English writes: >>> A Lisp OS!!??? >> >> Pikers.<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisp_machine> >> >>> I once worked at a place where they claimed to have written an >>> accounting package in BASIC. >> >> I used a commercial accounting package written in BASIC. Worked fine. > > Snot-nosed kids never heard of Business BASIC or MAI Basic-4, or know > the sublime beauty of COBOL written by masters of the craft. > Used LISP for years at IBM Research Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/hr48cb$6qv$1(a)dough.gmane.org
From: Hugo Vanwoerkom on 26 Apr 2010 10:50 B. Alexander wrote: > Amen to that! IMHO, vmware merely pays lip service to Linux. 12 years > ago, when we were using Linux on the job, we (and many, many others) > were asking for a Linux client. We are now at VSphere 4, and still only > windows clients. > > VMware server is even worse. It runs on Linux, and it worked okay, but > you are frozen in time -- no updates -- lest you break your install. I > did that on my vmware server installation, and then I upgraded. I could > not get the vmware modules to compile on a reasonably modern kernel. So > I went back to an earlier kernel (2.6.30, iirc), and once I got the > modules compiled, the web interface only worked about one time in 3. So > I am pretty much done with vmware. > > Now, since I only have 32 bit machines, I guess I'll be doing Xen, since > as good as it is, VBox is good for desktop-type virtualization, rather > than machine consolidation. Even with it's vboxheadless functionality, > its still a bit too dodgy for a group of machines that need to stay up. > > --b > > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Hugo Vanwoerkom <hvw59601(a)care2.com > <mailto:hvw59601(a)care2.com>> wrote: > > Mark Allums wrote: > > On 4/23/2010 11:31 AM, Richard Lawrence wrote: > > Hi all, > > > P.S. Apologies if this question seems too far off-topic for > debian-user. If there's a better place to ask this > question, I'd like > to know that, too. > > > Virtualbox meets more of your individual criteria than anything > else I can think of, but the open source edition lacks USB. I > would consider the non-OSE version for now, but only if I were > prepared to migrate to something else, later, depending on what > Oracle may choose to to with it, now that they own Sun. > > Some version of QEMU with KVM will always work, but you > definitely need the KVM bits, because by itself QEMU is not a > speed demon. > > I enjoy Xen-like hypervisors from an aesthetics point-of-view, > but the best ones are not free in any sense. Microsoft's > Hyper-V flat-out costs money, and VMware's ESXi comes with too > much baggage. Xen itself is still in a state of flux, and > though the 2.6.32 kernel version is much more stable than > previous versions, I wouldn't call it ready for prime time. > > > And I am getting tired of always having to look around for fixes to > VMware's server whenever you upgrade your kernel, it appears their > Linux attention leaves something to be desired. > Except... what works very nice in VMware is the NAT and Host Only network setups: works out of the box. You share your home dir thru samba. On XP all I had to setup was a netuse * to mount a net fs. Do the others do it that easy? Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/hr48l8$8fu$1(a)dough.gmane.org
From: ghe on 26 Apr 2010 11:00 On 4/26/10 8:35 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > Used LISP for years at IBM Research No, no, no. Lisp is a perfectly fine language. There are just others more suited for systems work. -- Glenn English ghe(a)slsware.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4BD5A8ED.5070402(a)slsware.com
From: Miles Fidelman on 26 Apr 2010 11:20 ghe wrote: > On 4/26/10 8:35 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > >> Used LISP for years at IBM Research > > No, no, no. Lisp is a perfectly fine language. There are just others > more suited for systems work. As someone else pointed out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisp_machine There have been more than one machines built - both academic and commercial - that ran LISP environments on bare metal. Great environments. -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In<fnord> practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4BD5AC66.5060907(a)meetinghouse.net
From: thib on 26 Apr 2010 14:40
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > Except... what works very nice in VMware is the NAT and Host Only > network setups: works out of the box. You share your home dir thru > samba. On XP all I had to setup was a netuse * to mount a net fs. Do the > others do it that easy? Yes [1]. VBox even has kernel additions which implement shared directories over a specialized interface with a virtual filesystem (vboxfs) [2]. > Hugo QEMU and Xen might not be as straightforward for a desktop end-user, but their users certainly won't find it difficult. -thib [1] http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch06.html [2] http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch04.html#sharedfolders -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4BD5DC07.9060409(a)stammed.net |