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From: Terry Bourne on 28 Nov 2009 12:45 Johan 64 -Bit has been a bit slow to catch on to Laptops and some won't support it (you need an APIC at least - check your laptop's spec). The only real difference you will see is if you have more memory (than your current 2GB) and apps that need it. In fact some 32-Bit instructions are faster than their 64-Bit equivalents. Advice about drivers and older devices is correct. In fact systems requiring/ likely to benefit from 64-Bit probably have and need backup/restore configurations which will also require updating. I am very sceptical about blanket advice which says "Go 64" - it could be unnecessarily expensive or give rise to sleepless nights! Terry "Johan Kwaspen" <johan.kwaspen(a)scarlet.be> wrote in message news:4b111987$0$397$5f6aeac3(a)news.scarlet.nl... > Geoff, > > My laptop is has a Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7250 @ 2.00Ghz and 2,00 GB > RAM > Win Vista bus 32. > > By the Update Window7 pro (in the box 2cd's w32 and w64). > They have advised me for the 32 bit because older devices have may not > equivalent 64-bit drivers. > > But now I am curious to know if the 64 also works. > > From 32 to 64 this is format C: h� ? > > > regards, > > Johan Kwaspen > Belgium > > > > > > > > > > "Geoff Schaller" <geoffx(a)softxwareobjectives.com.au> schreef in bericht > news:WY6Qm.58378$ze1.17706(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au... >> Johan, >> >> I don't understand. 32 bit and 64 bit are the same price: both for the >> processor and the OS. All new processors since about early 2008 are 64 >> bit. I doubt you can actually buy a 32 bit processor any more. Hence my >> question. >> >> Geoff >> >> >> >> "Johan Kwaspen" <johan.kwaspen(a)scarlet.be> wrote in message >> news:4b103816$0$396$5f6aeac3(a)news.scarlet.nl: >> >>> Geoff, >>> >>> Firstly, why 32 bit >>> I had to choose: new mountain bike and 32 bit on my old laptop or >>> new >>> laptop or pc 64 bit and no mountain bike. >>> I choose the mountain bike and 32 bit................... >>> But agree 64 bit is better. >>> >>> I turn off the UAC , the sp3 works fine. (strange that the sp2 can >>> works >>> with UAC on) >>> >>> fine weekend, >>> >>> Johan Kwaspen >>> Belgium >>> >>> >>> >>> "Geoff Schaller" <geoffx(a)softxwareobjectives.com.au> schreef in bericht >>> news:skNPm.58002$ze1.8507(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au... >>> >>> > Firstly, why are you restricting yourself to 32 bit? Go 64 man! >>> > Why waste a good CPU and a good OS by limiting it to 32 bits????? >>> > >>> > Secondly, turn off UAC. VO requires administrative rights and just >>> > thinking you are an administrator is not enough. >>> > >>> > Geoff >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > "Johan Kwaspen" <johan.kwaspen(a)scarlet.be> wrote in message >>> > news:4b0da634$0$399$5f6aeac3(a)news.scarlet.nl: >>> > >>> >>> >> Hello, >>> >> >>> >> I have problems to install the VO sp3 on Windows 7 Pro 32 bit NL, >>> >> this is >>> >> what I have done: >>> >> >>> >> Clean install Windows7 Pro >>> >> Install VO2.8 and the sp1 >>> >> Run VO sp1: no problem >>> >> load a project in VO sp1 :no problem >>> >> Install sp3: no problem >>> >> Then run VO sp3 >>> >> >>> >> Following errors appear: >>> >> >>> >> The project directory "C:\Program Files\cavo28\Data\" does >>> >> not >>> >> have >>> >> a valid application catalog (_CATALOG.VO). >>> >> Should the system try to recreate that catalog ? >>> >> >>> >> (of course) >>> >> >>> >> ADAM: Error rebuilding application catalog >>> >> Error creating Application Table >>> >> >>> >> When I reindex the Project, VO is not responding >>> >> >>> >> any idea of this ? >>> >> >>> >> Thanks >>> >> >>> >> Johan Kwaspen >>> >> Belgium >>> > >>> >>> > >> >> >
From: Geoff Schaller on 28 Nov 2009 17:59 Johan. You have a 64 bit CPU. The advice they have given is total rubbish. Perhaps there were problems 3 years ago but almost ALL manufacturers of everything everywhere now have 64 bit drivers on their websites as routine. Totally routine. For Windows 7, simply obtain the Vista 64 bit driver and use it. In fact, if your hardware is as old as it sounds, it is very likely that all the motherboard and other devices in your laptop will already be in the W7 driver framework. Knock yourself out on 64. It is thoroughly worth it. Geoff "Johan Kwaspen" <johan.kwaspen(a)scarlet.be> wrote in message news:4b111987$0$397$5f6aeac3(a)news.scarlet.nl: > Geoff, > > My laptop is has a Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7250 @ 2.00Ghz and 2,00 GB > RAM > Win Vista bus 32. > > By the Update Window7 pro (in the box 2cd's w32 and w64). > They have advised me for the 32 bit because older devices have may not > equivalent 64-bit drivers. > > But now I am curious to know if the 64 also works. > > From 32 to 64 this is format C: h� ? > > > regards, > > Johan Kwaspen > Belgium > > > > > > > > > > "Geoff Schaller" <geoffx(a)softxwareobjectives.com.au> schreef in bericht > news:WY6Qm.58378$ze1.17706(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au... > > > Johan, > > > > I don't understand. 32 bit and 64 bit are the same price: both for the > > processor and the OS. All new processors since about early 2008 are 64 > > bit. I doubt you can actually buy a 32 bit processor any more. Hence my > > question. > > > > Geoff > > > > > > > > "Johan Kwaspen" <johan.kwaspen(a)scarlet.be> wrote in message > > news:4b103816$0$396$5f6aeac3(a)news.scarlet.nl: > > > > >> Geoff, > >> > >> Firstly, why 32 bit > >> I had to choose: new mountain bike and 32 bit on my old laptop or > >> new > >> laptop or pc 64 bit and no mountain bike. > >> I choose the mountain bike and 32 bit................... > >> But agree 64 bit is better. > >> > >> I turn off the UAC , the sp3 works fine. (strange that the sp2 can > >> works > >> with UAC on) > >> > >> fine weekend, > >> > >> Johan Kwaspen > >> Belgium > >> > >> > >> > >> "Geoff Schaller" <geoffx(a)softxwareobjectives.com.au> schreef in bericht > >> news:skNPm.58002$ze1.8507(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au... > >> > > >> > Firstly, why are you restricting yourself to 32 bit? Go 64 man! > >> > Why waste a good CPU and a good OS by limiting it to 32 bits????? > >> > > >> > Secondly, turn off UAC. VO requires administrative rights and just > >> > thinking you are an administrator is not enough. > >> > > >> > Geoff > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > "Johan Kwaspen" <johan.kwaspen(a)scarlet.be> wrote in message > >> > news:4b0da634$0$399$5f6aeac3(a)news.scarlet.nl: > >> > > >> > > >> >> Hello, > >> >> > >> >> I have problems to install the VO sp3 on Windows 7 Pro 32 bit NL, this > >> >> is > >> >> what I have done: > >> >> > >> >> Clean install Windows7 Pro > >> >> Install VO2.8 and the sp1 > >> >> Run VO sp1: no problem > >> >> load a project in VO sp1 :no problem > >> >> Install sp3: no problem > >> >> Then run VO sp3 > >> >> > >> >> Following errors appear: > >> >> > >> >> The project directory "C:\Program Files\cavo28\Data\" does not > >> >> have > >> >> a valid application catalog (_CATALOG.VO). > >> >> Should the system try to recreate that catalog ? > >> >> > >> >> (of course) > >> >> > >> >> ADAM: Error rebuilding application catalog > >> >> Error creating Application Table > >> >> > >> >> When I reindex the Project, VO is not responding > >> >> > >> >> any idea of this ? > >> >> > >> >> Thanks > >> >> > >> >> Johan Kwaspen > >> >> Belgium > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > >
From: Geoff Schaller on 28 Nov 2009 18:02 Terry, Your advice is quite erroneous and quite out of date. 64 bit is here and is great. No exceptions. This is like people telling me that SSD drives are no good as boot drives because they only have 10,000 rewrite cycles. That information (which is actually technically irrelevant) is also old news. Go 64, without exception. I challenge you to find the 'bad news'. Geoff "Terry Bourne" <te.bourne(a)ringwayinfosys.co.uk> wrote in message news:0d6dnTQ84shH_IzWnZ2dnUVZ8kydnZ2d(a)bt.com: > Johan > 64 -Bit has been a bit slow to catch on to Laptops and some won't support it > (you need an APIC at least - check your laptop's spec). The only real > difference you will see is if you have more memory (than your current 2GB) > and apps that need it. In fact some 32-Bit instructions are faster than > their 64-Bit equivalents. > > Advice about drivers and older devices is correct. In fact systems > requiring/ likely to benefit from 64-Bit probably have and need > backup/restore configurations which will also require updating. > > I am very sceptical about blanket advice which says "Go 64" - it could be > unnecessarily expensive or give rise to sleepless nights! > > Terry > > > > > > "Johan Kwaspen" <johan.kwaspen(a)scarlet.be> wrote in message > news:4b111987$0$397$5f6aeac3(a)news.scarlet.nl... > > > Geoff, > > > > My laptop is has a Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7250 @ 2.00Ghz and 2,00 GB > > RAM > > Win Vista bus 32. > > > > By the Update Window7 pro (in the box 2cd's w32 and w64). > > They have advised me for the 32 bit because older devices have may not > > equivalent 64-bit drivers. > > > > But now I am curious to know if the 64 also works. > > > > From 32 to 64 this is format C: h� ? > > > > > > regards, > > > > Johan Kwaspen > > Belgium > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Geoff Schaller" <geoffx(a)softxwareobjectives.com.au> schreef in bericht > > news:WY6Qm.58378$ze1.17706(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au... > > >> Johan, > >> > >> I don't understand. 32 bit and 64 bit are the same price: both for the > >> processor and the OS. All new processors since about early 2008 are 64 > >> bit. I doubt you can actually buy a 32 bit processor any more. Hence my > >> question. > >> > >> Geoff > >> > >> > >> > >> "Johan Kwaspen" <johan.kwaspen(a)scarlet.be> wrote in message > >> news:4b103816$0$396$5f6aeac3(a)news.scarlet.nl: > >> > > >>> Geoff, > >>> > >>> Firstly, why 32 bit > >>> I had to choose: new mountain bike and 32 bit on my old laptop or > >>> new > >>> laptop or pc 64 bit and no mountain bike. > >>> I choose the mountain bike and 32 bit................... > >>> But agree 64 bit is better. > >>> > >>> I turn off the UAC , the sp3 works fine. (strange that the sp2 can > >>> works > >>> with UAC on) > >>> > >>> fine weekend, > >>> > >>> Johan Kwaspen > >>> Belgium > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> "Geoff Schaller" <geoffx(a)softxwareobjectives.com.au> schreef in bericht > >>> news:skNPm.58002$ze1.8507(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au... > >>> > > >>> > Firstly, why are you restricting yourself to 32 bit? Go 64 man! > >>> > Why waste a good CPU and a good OS by limiting it to 32 bits????? > >>> > > >>> > Secondly, turn off UAC. VO requires administrative rights and just > >>> > thinking you are an administrator is not enough. > >>> > > >>> > Geoff > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > "Johan Kwaspen" <johan.kwaspen(a)scarlet.be> wrote in message > >>> > news:4b0da634$0$399$5f6aeac3(a)news.scarlet.nl: > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >> Hello, > >>> >> > >>> >> I have problems to install the VO sp3 on Windows 7 Pro 32 bit NL, > >>> >> this is > >>> >> what I have done: > >>> >> > >>> >> Clean install Windows7 Pro > >>> >> Install VO2.8 and the sp1 > >>> >> Run VO sp1: no problem > >>> >> load a project in VO sp1 :no problem > >>> >> Install sp3: no problem > >>> >> Then run VO sp3 > >>> >> > >>> >> Following errors appear: > >>> >> > >>> >> The project directory "C:\Program Files\cavo28\Data\" does > >>> >> not > >>> >> have > >>> >> a valid application catalog (_CATALOG.VO). > >>> >> Should the system try to recreate that catalog ? > >>> >> > >>> >> (of course) > >>> >> > >>> >> ADAM: Error rebuilding application catalog > >>> >> Error creating Application Table > >>> >> > >>> >> When I reindex the Project, VO is not responding > >>> >> > >>> >> any idea of this ? > >>> >> > >>> >> Thanks > >>> >> > >>> >> Johan Kwaspen > >>> >> Belgium > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >> > >> > > >
From: Johan Kwaspen on 29 Nov 2009 05:14 Geoff, I'm now in the 64 club. Format C: , install 64 bit, and no problems !!! All drivers found . Thanks for the advise . grt, Johan Kwaspen Belgium "Geoff Schaller" <geoffx(a)softxwareobjectives.com.au> schreef in bericht news:GXhQm.58502$ze1.7408(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au... > Johan. > > You have a 64 bit CPU. The advice they have given is total rubbish. > Perhaps there were problems 3 years ago but almost ALL manufacturers of > everything everywhere now have 64 bit drivers on their websites as > routine. Totally routine. For Windows 7, simply obtain the Vista 64 bit > driver and use it. In fact, if your hardware is as old as it sounds, it is > very likely that all the motherboard and other devices in your laptop will > already be in the W7 driver framework. > > Knock yourself out on 64. > It is thoroughly worth it. > > Geoff > > > > "Johan Kwaspen" <johan.kwaspen(a)scarlet.be> wrote in message > news:4b111987$0$397$5f6aeac3(a)news.scarlet.nl: > >> Geoff, >> >> My laptop is has a Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7250 @ 2.00Ghz and 2,00 >> GB >> RAM >> Win Vista bus 32. >> >> By the Update Window7 pro (in the box 2cd's w32 and w64). >> They have advised me for the 32 bit because older devices have may not >> equivalent 64-bit drivers. >> >> But now I am curious to know if the 64 also works. >> >> From 32 to 64 this is format C: h� ? >> >> >> regards, >> >> Johan Kwaspen >> Belgium >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Geoff Schaller" <geoffx(a)softxwareobjectives.com.au> schreef in bericht >> news:WY6Qm.58378$ze1.17706(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au... >> >> > Johan, >> > >> > I don't understand. 32 bit and 64 bit are the same price: both for the >> > processor and the OS. All new processors since about early 2008 are 64 >> > bit. I doubt you can actually buy a 32 bit processor any more. Hence my >> > question. >> > >> > Geoff >> > >> > >> > >> > "Johan Kwaspen" <johan.kwaspen(a)scarlet.be> wrote in message >> > news:4b103816$0$396$5f6aeac3(a)news.scarlet.nl: >> > >> >> >> Geoff, >> >> >> >> Firstly, why 32 bit >> >> I had to choose: new mountain bike and 32 bit on my old laptop >> >> or >> >> new >> >> laptop or pc 64 bit and no mountain bike. >> >> I choose the mountain bike and 32 bit................... >> >> But agree 64 bit is better. >> >> >> >> I turn off the UAC , the sp3 works fine. (strange that the sp2 can >> >> works >> >> with UAC on) >> >> >> >> fine weekend, >> >> >> >> Johan Kwaspen >> >> Belgium >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Geoff Schaller" <geoffx(a)softxwareobjectives.com.au> schreef in >> >> bericht >> >> news:skNPm.58002$ze1.8507(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au... >> >> >> >> >> > Firstly, why are you restricting yourself to 32 bit? Go 64 man! >> >> > Why waste a good CPU and a good OS by limiting it to 32 bits????? >> >> > >> >> > Secondly, turn off UAC. VO requires administrative rights and just >> >> > thinking you are an administrator is not enough. >> >> > >> >> > Geoff >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "Johan Kwaspen" <johan.kwaspen(a)scarlet.be> wrote in message >> >> > news:4b0da634$0$399$5f6aeac3(a)news.scarlet.nl: >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> >> >> I have problems to install the VO sp3 on Windows 7 Pro 32 bit NL, >> >> >> this >> >> >> is >> >> >> what I have done: >> >> >> >> >> >> Clean install Windows7 Pro >> >> >> Install VO2.8 and the sp1 >> >> >> Run VO sp1: no problem >> >> >> load a project in VO sp1 :no problem >> >> >> Install sp3: no problem >> >> >> Then run VO sp3 >> >> >> >> >> >> Following errors appear: >> >> >> >> >> >> The project directory "C:\Program Files\cavo28\Data\" does >> >> >> not >> >> >> have >> >> >> a valid application catalog (_CATALOG.VO). >> >> >> Should the system try to recreate that catalog ? >> >> >> >> >> >> (of course) >> >> >> >> >> >> ADAM: Error rebuilding application catalog >> >> >> Error creating Application Table >> >> >> >> >> >> When I reindex the Project, VO is not responding >> >> >> >> >> >> any idea of this ? >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> >> >> Johan Kwaspen >> >> >> Belgium >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > >
From: Geoff Schaller on 29 Nov 2009 05:43
Excellent! Now I'll tell you where the big benefits are: MS SQL Server, Excel, Visual Studio, anything needing graphics, and anything with a high disk transfer. The down side is that it takes more physical disk space to store stuff in 32bit because there is more space left over. Every item being saved is stored into the minimum space of a 64 bit word instead of 32. Geoff "Johan Kwaspen" <johan.kwaspen(a)scarlet.be> wrote in message news:4b12481d$0$398$5f6aeac3(a)news.scarlet.nl: > Geoff, > > I'm now in the 64 club. > Format C: , install 64 bit, and no problems !!! > > All drivers found . > > Thanks for the advise . > > grt, > > Johan Kwaspen > Belgium > > > > "Geoff Schaller" <geoffx(a)softxwareobjectives.com.au> schreef in bericht > news:GXhQm.58502$ze1.7408(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au... > > > Johan. > > > > You have a 64 bit CPU. The advice they have given is total rubbish. > > Perhaps there were problems 3 years ago but almost ALL manufacturers of > > everything everywhere now have 64 bit drivers on their websites as > > routine. Totally routine. For Windows 7, simply obtain the Vista 64 bit > > driver and use it. In fact, if your hardware is as old as it sounds, it is > > very likely that all the motherboard and other devices in your laptop will > > already be in the W7 driver framework. > > > > Knock yourself out on 64. > > It is thoroughly worth it. > > > > Geoff > > > > > > > > "Johan Kwaspen" <johan.kwaspen(a)scarlet.be> wrote in message > > news:4b111987$0$397$5f6aeac3(a)news.scarlet.nl: > > > > >> Geoff, > >> > >> My laptop is has a Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7250 @ 2.00Ghz and 2,00 > >> GB > >> RAM > >> Win Vista bus 32. > >> > >> By the Update Window7 pro (in the box 2cd's w32 and w64). > >> They have advised me for the 32 bit because older devices have may not > >> equivalent 64-bit drivers. > >> > >> But now I am curious to know if the 64 also works. > >> > >> From 32 to 64 this is format C: h� ? > >> > >> > >> regards, > >> > >> Johan Kwaspen > >> Belgium > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> "Geoff Schaller" <geoffx(a)softxwareobjectives.com.au> schreef in bericht > >> news:WY6Qm.58378$ze1.17706(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au... > >> > > >> > Johan, > >> > > >> > I don't understand. 32 bit and 64 bit are the same price: both for the > >> > processor and the OS. All new processors since about early 2008 are 64 > >> > bit. I doubt you can actually buy a 32 bit processor any more. Hence my > >> > question. > >> > > >> > Geoff > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > "Johan Kwaspen" <johan.kwaspen(a)scarlet.be> wrote in message > >> > news:4b103816$0$396$5f6aeac3(a)news.scarlet.nl: > >> > > >> > > >> >> Geoff, > >> >> > >> >> Firstly, why 32 bit > >> >> I had to choose: new mountain bike and 32 bit on my old laptop > >> >> or > >> >> new > >> >> laptop or pc 64 bit and no mountain bike. > >> >> I choose the mountain bike and 32 bit................... > >> >> But agree 64 bit is better. > >> >> > >> >> I turn off the UAC , the sp3 works fine. (strange that the sp2 can > >> >> works > >> >> with UAC on) > >> >> > >> >> fine weekend, > >> >> > >> >> Johan Kwaspen > >> >> Belgium > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> "Geoff Schaller" <geoffx(a)softxwareobjectives.com.au> schreef in > >> >> bericht > >> >> news:skNPm.58002$ze1.8507(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au... > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > Firstly, why are you restricting yourself to 32 bit? Go 64 man! > >> >> > Why waste a good CPU and a good OS by limiting it to 32 bits????? > >> >> > > >> >> > Secondly, turn off UAC. VO requires administrative rights and just > >> >> > thinking you are an administrator is not enough. > >> >> > > >> >> > Geoff > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > "Johan Kwaspen" <johan.kwaspen(a)scarlet.be> wrote in message > >> >> > news:4b0da634$0$399$5f6aeac3(a)news.scarlet.nl: > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> Hello, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I have problems to install the VO sp3 on Windows 7 Pro 32 bit NL, > >> >> >> this > >> >> >> is > >> >> >> what I have done: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Clean install Windows7 Pro > >> >> >> Install VO2.8 and the sp1 > >> >> >> Run VO sp1: no problem > >> >> >> load a project in VO sp1 :no problem > >> >> >> Install sp3: no problem > >> >> >> Then run VO sp3 > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Following errors appear: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> The project directory "C:\Program Files\cavo28\Data\" does > >> >> >> not > >> >> >> have > >> >> >> a valid application catalog (_CATALOG.VO). > >> >> >> Should the system try to recreate that catalog ? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> (of course) > >> >> >> > >> >> >> ADAM: Error rebuilding application catalog > >> >> >> Error creating Application Table > >> >> >> > >> >> >> When I reindex the Project, VO is not responding > >> >> >> > >> >> >> any idea of this ? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Thanks > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Johan Kwaspen > >> >> >> Belgium > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > |