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From: Doum on 11 Jul 2010 16:04 "Bill in Co" <surly_curmudgeon(a)earthlink.net> �crivait news:lOadnTJv8_eakKfRnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com: I have all ".NET Framework" installed on all my machines and when a family member or friend asks me to rebuild their Windows installation, I always reinstall all of them. If one of their programs needs one of the ".NET", it's already installed; never had any issue. Just make sure to visit "Windows Update" a few times after installing them; Important and Optional updates. > But it requires installing .NET Framework 3.5 (and a pretty large app, > at over 200 MB!), as I recall. .NET 2.0 won't cut it. And that > could be a concern, no? (I thought I recall someone mentioning some > issue with that on fileforum, like it broke some of his existing 2.0 > apps, or that some existing apps using .NET now ran slower? I can't > recall. > > What was the service that Microsoft requires you to register for, to > be able to use it? > > Peter Foldes wrote: >> Install the NNTP Bridge >> >> Please take a look at: http://communitybridge.codeplex.com for >> details and the current download. >> >> >> >> -- >> Peter >> >> Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others >> Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be >> acknowledged. http://www.microsoft.com/protect >> >> "Roger" <Monkey(a)Zoo.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:%233576aQILHA.4120(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> >>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:ulxtszHILHA.5448(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>> You'll find most of us over in MS Answers forums: >>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/windowsxp >>>> >>>> Internet Explorer => >>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/InternetExplorer/th >>>> reads >>>> >>>> Outlook Express, etc. => >>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/xpnetwork/threads >>>> >>>> Windows Update => >>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/threads >>>> >>>> Hopefully your screenreader will get along with Answers forums, >>>> too, LS. >>>> >>>> >>> [Snip] Can I add the above, to my OE window on left pane, as I >>> did with >>> my MS NG's e g I have at moment listed msnews.microsoft.com only >>> this group heading left on it >>> >>> Roger > > >
From: Bruce Hagen on 11 Jul 2010 23:59 <snip> "Bill in Co" <surly_curmudgeon(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message news:TYWdnRYb7qULEqfRnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com... > Bruce Hagen wrote: >> "~*Laughingstar*~" <tiredofthis(a)nospam.att.com> wrote in message >> news:u$2$86WILHA.4920(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>> On the eternal-september.org, I checked their 'support' groups and the >>> 2 >>> I >>> went into was only SPAM, no moderators what-so-ever - great help for >>> people >>> that one is. >>> >>> I'm still miss our helpers from here, and do realize they'll be >>> 'moving' >>> over to other forums, but it's MS's loss. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> If you subscribe to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general via Eternal >> September, you will see exactly the same posts as you do on the >> msnews.microsoft.com server you have been using. Nothing more. Nothing >> less. > > Just to make this clear (and assuming I understand this right), she > could subscribe to that XP group WITHOUT having to use any NNTP bridge > as long as she has signed up for Eternal September (or some other NNTP > server). > > So one has to ask, what's the point of using the bridge for anything, > when one can access the newsgroups directly, from any available NNTP > server? > > Well, I can think of one disadvantage: as new MS "groups" are added, > they will never be added to the existing NNTP servers. > > Or maybe somebody actually prefers using the bridge to access the forums > over direct NNTP server access via OE or the like??? The NNTP Bridge is a 'back door' to the Microsoft Answers news forums. The are completely different than the Usenet groups you are accoustomed to. None of the NNTP newsgroups are the same as the MS Answers forums. While the current newsgroups will be available on non-MS servers for perhaps a long time, I forsee a lot less legitimate posts and more spam & trolls as time goes on. Just to give you an idea, the top group here is MS Answers Forums as they look using the bridge. The second group of 3 newsgroups are currently still on the MS servers, and the last group is the MS newsgroups via Eternal September. Note there is no similarity between the forums and newsgroup names. http://i32.tinypic.com/4jw7sn.png -- Bruce Hagen MS-MVP [Mail] Imperial Beach, CA
From: Bill in Co on 12 Jul 2010 01:15 Bruce Hagen wrote: > <snip> > > "Bill in Co" <surly_curmudgeon(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:TYWdnRYb7qULEqfRnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com... >> Bruce Hagen wrote: >>> "~*Laughingstar*~" <tiredofthis(a)nospam.att.com> wrote in message >>> news:u$2$86WILHA.4920(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > >>>> On the eternal-september.org, I checked their 'support' groups and the >>>> 2 >>>> I >>>> went into was only SPAM, no moderators what-so-ever - great help for >>>> people >>>> that one is. >>>> >>>> I'm still miss our helpers from here, and do realize they'll be >>>> 'moving' >>>> over to other forums, but it's MS's loss. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> If you subscribe to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general via Eternal >>> September, you will see exactly the same posts as you do on the >>> msnews.microsoft.com server you have been using. Nothing more. Nothing >>> less. >> > > > >> Just to make this clear (and assuming I understand this right), she >> could subscribe to that XP group WITHOUT having to use any NNTP bridge >> as long as she has signed up for Eternal September (or some other NNTP >> server). >> >> So one has to ask, what's the point of using the bridge for anything, >> when one can access the newsgroups directly, from any available NNTP >> server? >> >> Well, I can think of one disadvantage: as new MS "groups" are added, >> they will never be added to the existing NNTP servers. >> >> Or maybe somebody actually prefers using the bridge to access the forums >> over direct NNTP server access via OE or the like??? > > > The NNTP Bridge is a 'back door' to the Microsoft Answers news forums. The > are completely different than the Usenet groups you are accoustomed to. > None of the NNTP newsgroups are the same as the MS Answers forums. > > While the current newsgroups will be available on non-MS servers for > perhaps a long time, I forsee a lot less legitimate posts and more spam & > trolls as time goes on. > > Just to give you an idea, the top group here is MS Answers Forums as they > look using the bridge. The second group of 3 newsgroups are currently > still on the MS servers, and the last group is the MS newsgroups via > Eternal September. Note there is no similarity between the forums and > newsgroup names. > > http://i32.tinypic.com/4jw7sn.png > -- > Bruce Hagen > MS-MVP [Mail] > Imperial Beach, CA Thanks for sending that picture to give me some idea, Bruce. From what I can see and tell, I'm just not impressed with the abandonment of the newsgroups, however. I just don't see how this is benefiting anyone, and that screenshot just further illustrates my point. I mean, just look at all the specific NNTP subgroups that don't appear or have a direct counterpart in the MS Answers Forums. Those "MS Answers Fforums" seem to be more broadly classified, with a bunch of stuff thrown into one category.
From: Miles on 12 Jul 2010 01:20 * ~*Laughingstar*~ wrote, On 10-Jul-10 15:07: > Bill in Co wrote: >>> I'm not convinced they are all leaving. Hopefully some of the most >>> helpful ones will stick around on the real newgroups (via another >>> nntp server), and not this newage, web page forum thing. >>> > > that eternal.september thing (from a support NG standpoint) is ridiculous. > No moderation, all advertising - at best!!! > >>> ~*Laughingstar*~ wrote: >>>> so much for believing I was doing so well! What will "we" do >>>> without our mentors??? >>>> >>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >>>>>> See http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx >>>>>> >>>>>> IE General, OE General, OE6, Windows Update, Win98 General,& >>>>>> WLMessenger were some of the newsgroups dropped late last week. >>>>>> IE6 was dropped in early June. >>>>>> >>>>>> Roger wrote: >>>>>>> Can anyone inform me , from my return from holiday I find I have >>>>>>> lost newsgroups like windows outlook express, Hardware, and ie6 >>>>>>> groups >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ciao - >>>> >>>> CarolJhThompson >>>> "We are not human beings having a spiritual experience, we are >>>> spiritual beings having a human experience ( Pierre Teilhard de >>>> Chardin)." > > You must be listening to the wrong newsgroups. I subscribe to 9 NG's under infernal September and rarely see an advertisement. Admittedly none are MSFT
From: Bruce Hagen on 12 Jul 2010 10:05
"Bill in Co" <surly_curmudgeon(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message news:-IednbdW6OFxOafRnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d(a)earthlink.com... > Bruce Hagen wrote: >> <snip> >> >> "Bill in Co" <surly_curmudgeon(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message >> news:TYWdnRYb7qULEqfRnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com... >>> Bruce Hagen wrote: >>>> "~*Laughingstar*~" <tiredofthis(a)nospam.att.com> wrote in message >>>> news:u$2$86WILHA.4920(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> >>>>> On the eternal-september.org, I checked their 'support' groups and >>>>> the >>>>> 2 >>>>> I >>>>> went into was only SPAM, no moderators what-so-ever - great help for >>>>> people >>>>> that one is. >>>>> >>>>> I'm still miss our helpers from here, and do realize they'll be >>>>> 'moving' >>>>> over to other forums, but it's MS's loss. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If you subscribe to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general via Eternal >>>> September, you will see exactly the same posts as you do on the >>>> msnews.microsoft.com server you have been using. Nothing more. >>>> Nothing >>>> less. >>> >> >> >> >>> Just to make this clear (and assuming I understand this right), she >>> could subscribe to that XP group WITHOUT having to use any NNTP bridge >>> as long as she has signed up for Eternal September (or some other NNTP >>> server). >>> >>> So one has to ask, what's the point of using the bridge for anything, >>> when one can access the newsgroups directly, from any available NNTP >>> server? >>> >>> Well, I can think of one disadvantage: as new MS "groups" are added, >>> they will never be added to the existing NNTP servers. >>> >>> Or maybe somebody actually prefers using the bridge to access the >>> forums >>> over direct NNTP server access via OE or the like??? >> >> >> The NNTP Bridge is a 'back door' to the Microsoft Answers news forums. >> The >> are completely different than the Usenet groups you are accoustomed to. >> None of the NNTP newsgroups are the same as the MS Answers forums. >> >> While the current newsgroups will be available on non-MS servers for >> perhaps a long time, I forsee a lot less legitimate posts and more spam >> & >> trolls as time goes on. >> >> Just to give you an idea, the top group here is MS Answers Forums as >> they >> look using the bridge. The second group of 3 newsgroups are currently >> still on the MS servers, and the last group is the MS newsgroups via >> Eternal September. Note there is no similarity between the forums and >> newsgroup names. >> >> http://i32.tinypic.com/4jw7sn.png >> -- >> Bruce Hagen >> MS-MVP [Mail] >> Imperial Beach, CA > > Thanks for sending that picture to give me some idea, Bruce. > From what I can see and tell, I'm just not impressed with the > abandonment of the newsgroups, however. I just don't see how this is > benefiting anyone, and that screenshot just further illustrates my > point. I mean, just look at all the specific NNTP subgroups that don't > appear or have a direct counterpart in the MS Answers Forums. Those > "MS Answers Fforums" seem to be more broadly classified, with a bunch of > stuff thrown into one category. > You got that all correct, and I don't like the change either. But, when life deals you lemonade, MS turns it into lemons. I either evolve, or go fishing more. -- Bruce Hagen MS-MVP [Mail] Imperial Beach, CA |