Vanishing Newsgroups
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From: ~*Laughingstar*~ on 12 Jul 2010 13:39 Bruce Hagen wrote: >> "Bill in Co" <surly_curmudgeon(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message >> news:-IednbdW6OFxOafRnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d(a)earthlink.com... >>> Bruce Hagen wrote: >>>> <snip> >>>> >>>> "Bill in Co" <surly_curmudgeon(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>> news:TYWdnRYb7qULEqfRnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com... >>>>> Bruce Hagen wrote: >>>>>> "~*Laughingstar*~" <tiredofthis(a)nospam.att.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:u$2$86WILHA.4920(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>> >>>>>>> On the eternal-september.org, I checked their 'support' groups >>>>>>> and the >>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> went into was only SPAM, no moderators what-so-ever - great >>>>>>> help for people >>>>>>> that one is. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm still miss our helpers from here, and do realize they'll be >>>>>>> 'moving' >>>>>>> over to other forums, but it's MS's loss. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If you subscribe to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general via >>>>>> Eternal September, you will see exactly the same posts as you do >>>>>> on the msnews.microsoft.com server you have been using. Nothing >>>>>> more. Nothing >>>>>> less. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Just to make this clear (and assuming I understand this right), >>>>> she could subscribe to that XP group WITHOUT having to use any >>>>> NNTP bridge as long as she has signed up for Eternal September >>>>> (or some other NNTP server). >>>>> >>>>> So one has to ask, what's the point of using the bridge for >>>>> anything, when one can access the newsgroups directly, from any >>>>> available NNTP server? >>>>> >>>>> Well, I can think of one disadvantage: as new MS "groups" are >>>>> added, they will never be added to the existing NNTP servers. >>>>> >>>>> Or maybe somebody actually prefers using the bridge to access the >>>>> forums >>>>> over direct NNTP server access via OE or the like??? >>>> >>>> >>>> The NNTP Bridge is a 'back door' to the Microsoft Answers news >>>> forums. The >>>> are completely different than the Usenet groups you are >>>> accoustomed to. None of the NNTP newsgroups are the same as the MS >>>> Answers forums. >>>> >>>> While the current newsgroups will be available on non-MS servers >>>> for perhaps a long time, I forsee a lot less legitimate posts and >>>> more spam & >>>> trolls as time goes on. >>>> >>>> Just to give you an idea, the top group here is MS Answers Forums >>>> as they >>>> look using the bridge. The second group of 3 newsgroups are >>>> currently still on the MS servers, and the last group is the MS >>>> newsgroups via Eternal September. Note there is no similarity >>>> between the forums and newsgroup names. >>>> >>>> http://i32.tinypic.com/4jw7sn.png >>>> -- >>>> Bruce Hagen >>>> MS-MVP [Mail] >>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>> >>> Thanks for sending that picture to give me some idea, Bruce. >>> From what I can see and tell, I'm just not impressed with the >>> abandonment of the newsgroups, however. I just don't see how this >>> is benefiting anyone, and that screenshot just further illustrates >>> my point. I mean, just look at all the specific NNTP subgroups >>> that don't appear or have a direct counterpart in the MS Answers >>> Forums. Those "MS Answers Fforums" seem to be more broadly >>> classified, with a bunch of stuff thrown into one category. >>> >> >> >> You got that all correct, and I don't like the change either. But, >> when life deals you lemonade, MS turns it into lemons. I either >> evolve, or go fishing more. >> -- >> Bruce Hagen >> MS-MVP [Mail] >> Imperial Beach, CA Now, as you' can see from what I'm told, my sig component in OE isn't working right - and nothing's checked! Woe is me - just when I need'ja . . . but agree with the lemonade solution, Bruce - no pun intended. Moi
From: Daave on 12 Jul 2010 21:51 ~*Laughingstar*~ wrote: > Spamlet wrote: >>> I'm reading all this in E-S and don't see any spam at all? >>> >>> S > > Let me qualify what I mentioned previously/earlier hereon -- that was > in their "support" groups; I've not been to their MS sections, yet. Then unsubscribe from the E-S "support" groups (I don't subscribe to them) and go to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general and the other MS groups of your choice. No spam. :-)
From: Steve Cochran on 13 Jul 2010 08:32 You have to sign on with a "Windows Live" ID (same as "passport" ID was), but that's all. Try using the HTTP interface and you will be overjoyed with the Bridge approach. steve "Bill in Co" <surly_curmudgeon(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message news:Ta6dnSmmKa4MwqTRnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com... > PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >> -- >> ~Robear > > I took a look at the web based versions for support directly in IE (without > using the bridge), and wasn't impressed. just seems like too much eye > candy. I think the web page forum format gets in the way of simply - and > directly - handling the support messages, but maybe some like it. Perhaps > the newbies(?) > > Just for kicks, I also looked at the replacement "Community Forums NNTP > Bridge Server", which is supposed to be an improvement over the regular MS > NNTP bridge, and noticed it requires .NET Framework 3.5!!! Egads! > > But no matter what version of NNTP bridge you use (should you decide to go > that way), you apparently have to sign up for some arcane Microsoft service > (I can't recall the name now), which seems a bit of a nuisance too. > >
From: PA Bear [MS MVP] on 13 Jul 2010 10:34 But do check to see what your via NNTP posts look like (formatting) in the forum itself from time to time, please. You may be very surprised at what you see. And please remember to poll the forums for the most recent posts before you start replying via NNTP Bridge. I'm seeing way too many posts being made that clearly show the sender's not read all of the replies to the thread yet. Steve Cochran wrote: > You have to sign on with a "Windows Live" ID (same as "passport" ID was), > but that's all. Try using the HTTP interface and you will be overjoyed > with the Bridge approach. > >> I took a look at the web based versions for support directly in IE >> (without >> using the bridge), and wasn't impressed. just seems like too much eye >> candy. I think the web page forum format gets in the way of simply - >> and >> directly - handling the support messages, but maybe some like it. >> Perhaps >> the newbies(?) >> >> Just for kicks, I also looked at the replacement "Community Forums NNTP >> Bridge Server", which is supposed to be an improvement over the regular >> MS >> NNTP bridge, and noticed it requires .NET Framework 3.5!!! Egads! >> >> But no matter what version of NNTP bridge you use (should you decide to >> go >> that way), you apparently have to sign up for some arcane Microsoft >> service >> (I can't recall the name now), which seems a bit of a nuisance too.
From: ~*Laughingstar*~ on 13 Jul 2010 10:49
top-post: aren't we supposed to post below the comment we're responding to?? PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >> But do check to see what your via NNTP posts look like (formatting) >> in the forum itself from time to time, please. You may be very >> surprised at what you see. >> >> And please remember to poll the forums for the most recent posts >> before you start replying via NNTP Bridge. I'm seeing way too many >> posts being made that clearly show the sender's not read all of the >> replies to the thread yet. >> >> >> Steve Cochran wrote: >>> You have to sign on with a "Windows Live" ID (same as "passport" ID >>> was), but that's all. Try using the HTTP interface and you will be >>> overjoyed with the Bridge approach. >>> >>>> I took a look at the web based versions for support directly in IE >>>> (without >>>> using the bridge), and wasn't impressed. just seems like too >>>> much eye candy. I think the web page forum format gets in the >>>> way of simply - and >>>> directly - handling the support messages, but maybe some like it. >>>> Perhaps >>>> the newbies(?) >>>> >>>> Just for kicks, I also looked at the replacement "Community Forums >>>> NNTP Bridge Server", which is supposed to be an improvement over >>>> the regular MS >>>> NNTP bridge, and noticed it requires .NET Framework 3.5!!! Egads! >>>> >>>> But no matter what version of NNTP bridge you use (should you >>>> decide to go >>>> that way), you apparently have to sign up for some arcane Microsoft >>>> service >>>> (I can't recall the name now), which seems a bit of a nuisance too. |