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From: Davoud on 8 Jun 2010 09:06
JF Mezei wrote:

> As a side note, seems that Apple has found a permanent name for the OS
> targetted at mobile devices: iOS (not sure Cisco will like this use of
> their trademark).

Apple licensed the name from Cisco.

> So they are not really OS-X devices anymore.

The importance of that is?

> The hardware rebuild of the iphone seems interesting. But the features
> are underwhelming. Nothing really new in it. (the April announcement of
> version 4 of that OS did remove much of "wow" factor for this announcement.

Is that fiat binding on the entire human population?

> I feat that Apple is runing out of imagination for OS-X and the next
> version will continue with the unwanted trend to make all windows
> transparent to reduce readability.

What _are_ you talking about? I have nearly a dozen windows open on a
30" Cinema Display and not one exhibits the slightest bit of
translucency (the word is translucent, not transparent. There are no
degrees of transparency; transparent = invisible).

Davoud

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From: JF Mezei on 8 Jun 2010 13:05
Davoud wrote:

> What _are_ you talking about? I have nearly a dozen windows open on a
> 30" Cinema Display and not one exhibits the slightest bit of
> translucency (the word is translucent, not transparent. There are no
> degrees of transparency; transparent = invisible).

Have you looked at the dock recently ? Have you looked are menus in
those dozen applications ?

What I was saying was that Apple would likely extend this unwanted
feature to the rest of the screen because they seem intent to add "wow"
stuff to their announcements even if it is not something users want or need.


BTW, I did watch WWDC. Granted I was very tired. The hardware
improvements are interesting. The gyrospcope, if mechanical, is bound to
be unreliable part of the phone. Then again, Our lord Jobs expects
people to change iphones every couple of years, so perhaps this isn't an
issue.

Last year, the announcement had a lot of features aimed at business. No
mention of this, and no mention of any progress in getting into the
business market. It was all about games. If Apple wants greater market
share against business (where RIM is dominant), I would have thought it
woudl have motivated developpers to go for that market as well.

This year's WWDC also had no dicusssion about interconnection with the
rest of the world (email etc).


Perhaps this is something we need to get used to as devices mature and
become more stable. The future lies in removing those artificial
restrictions.
From: Davoud on 8 Jun 2010 17:06
JF Mezei:
> >> I feat that Apple is runing out of imagination for OS-X and the next
> >> version will continue with the unwanted trend to make all windows
> >> transparent [sic] to reduce readability.


Davoud:
> > What _are_ you talking about? I have nearly a dozen windows open on a
> > 30" Cinema Display and not one exhibits the slightest bit of
> > translucency (the word is translucent, not transparent. There are no
> > degrees of transparency; transparent = invisible).

JF Mezei:
> Have you looked at the dock recently ? Have you looked are menus in
> those dozen applications ?

Yes. I can read them just fine @ age 66. In fact, I had forgotten that
they are translucent and I had to manipulate some windows a bit to see
what you were getting at.

> What I was saying was that Apple would likely extend this unwanted
> feature to the rest of the screen because they seem intent to add "wow"
> stuff to their announcements even if it is not something users want or need.

Just how likely do you think that is, and how far do you think that
Apple will take it? Do you think that Apple will decide that the
ultimate in chic is to make everything on the display
transparent-perhaps even the desktop pic--so that _nothing_ is visible
at any time? Then move on to transparent display cases so that one
can't see the display at all? Can you say "hyperbole?" I think it is
more likely that Apple will stick with Expos�.

> BTW, I did watch WWDC. Granted I was very tired.

We expect results, not excuses.

> The hardware
> improvements are interesting. The gyrospcope, if mechanical, is bound to
> be unreliable part of the phone.

Voyager 1 was launched in 1977. Its mechanical gyroscopes withstood
punishing launch forces and are working just fine 33 years later in the
most extreme conditions in interstellar space
<http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/didyouknow.html>. We know a lot
more about building gyroscopes now than we did then. I wouldn't worry
if i were you.

> Then again, Our lord Jobs expects
> people to change iphones every couple of years, so perhaps this isn't an
> issue.

I don't know whether he expects that, though he certainly hopes it,
just as you would if you were in his position. I'm sure that Jobs is
quite aware that 99.94% of the world's population do not have an iPhone
(best available data as of 8 June, 2010).

> Last year, the announcement had a lot of features aimed at business. No
> mention of this, and no mention of any progress in getting into the
> business market. It was all about games. If Apple wants greater market
> share against business (where RIM is dominant), I would have thought it
> woudl have motivated developpers to go for that market as well.

> This year's WWDC also had no dicusssion about interconnection with the
> rest of the world (email etc).

When Steve Jobs introduced the iPhone he said that Apple's immediate
target was 1% of the smart-phone market. cnet reported on 5 June that
Apple has 28% of the smartphone market, up 2% QoQ. RIM has 35%, down 2%
QoQ <http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20006889-37.html>. Measured
against Jobs' stated objective, how would you say the iPhone is doing?
Been in NYC lately? Amtrak business class? A major airport? There are a
hell of a lot of iPhones in use by suits. i was talking to a
self-described "low-level advertising exec" in a NYC Starbucks last
Friday. I said that I had heard that the iPhone was unsuitable for
enterprise use. She said that her company had not gotten that news, and
that her job was tough enough without having to use a Blackberry vice
an iPhone.

> Perhaps this is something we need to get used to as devices mature and
> become more stable. The future lies in removing those artificial
> restrictions.

We? My, my, you _have_ elevated yourself to a high position. I read
just yesterday that 63% of Americans think they are smarter than the
average American--but 70% of Canadians think they are smarter than the
average Canadian. Your pontification tells me that you belong in the
later category. Don't flatter yourself.

Davoud

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From: Jolly Roger on 8 Jun 2010 17:26
In article <4c0dd5d6$0$1676$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>,
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot(a)vaxination.ca> wrote:

> I feat that Apple is runing out of imagination for OS-X and the next
> version will continue with the unwanted trend to make all windows
> transparent to reduce readability.

You haven't been a Mac user very long, have you? Apple tried things like
that (horribly translucent window title bars and menus, anyone?) nearly
a decade ago in earlier versions of Mac OS X, and learned from it. They
aren't likely to repeat that mistake again. Meanwhile Microsoft, in
typical fashion, has chosen to copy the worst from old versions of Mac
OS X, and is in love with translucent window decorations in Windows 7,
with no signs of slowing down.

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From: Jolly Roger on 8 Jun 2010 17:27
In article <4c0e7853$0$1202$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>,
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot(a)vaxination.ca> wrote:

> Last year, the announcement had a lot of features aimed at business. No
> mention of this, and no mention of any progress in getting into the
> business market.

Apparently you nodded off when Steve Jobs mentioned that Enterprise
features in iOS are much improved...

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