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From: Mark Swellman on 6 Jun 2010 22:51 In thread Gizmodo on Android, nospam wrote: > the suicide rate at foxconn is lower than in the general population Here's what Steve Jobs said about working conditions: "We look at everything at these companies, and I can tell you a few things that we know: Foxconn is not a sweatshop." <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/steve-jobs/7796546/Foxconn-suicide-rate-is-lower-than-in-the-US-says-Apples-Steve-Jobs.html> Here's what they are indeed: "They work, some on their feet throughout, up to 12 hours a day, six days a week, assembling products that most cannot afford to buy themselves: Apple iPhones, Apple iPads, Dell computers and Nokia mobile phones." They are not allowed to talk while working and could be fined for doing so. Between 300,000 and 400,000 employees eat, work and sleep at Foxconn's plant, in Longhua Town. 'In the past three months, the factory has been losing 50,000 staff a month because workers are burning out,' Mr Zhu, a migrant worker and a workplace rights advocate, said. 'The workers are reduced to repeating exactly the same hand movement for months on end.' The workers the team spoke to say that their hands continue to twitch at night, or that when they are walking down the street they cannot help but mimic the motion. Overtime last year was an average of 120 hours per month per worker, above the maximum level set by Apple in its guidelines to suppliers oxconn's parent company, Taiwan's Hon Hai Precision Industry, the world's largest electronics contractor, plans to raise its basic wage of 900 yuan (S$185) a month by about 20 per cent. 10 workers shared one dorm but many did not even know one another's name. Workers are barred from taking personal belongings out of their dormitories unless they get signed permission, and can be sacked if they consistently fail to finish all the food on their plates in the canteen, the China Daily reported. Five men who made mistakes while filling in their contract forms were threatened with expulsion, while those who took the wrong forms were charged 50 yuan for the right ones, the China Daily said. 'If there were frequent suicides at other factories, then it's a social problem and not Foxconn's fault. But look at what's happened in the past few months, how can Foxconn not bear the blame?' said Mr Liang Xiande, an uncle of 21-year-old Liang Chao, who died after falling from the seventh floor of a dormitory at the Longhua plant on May 14. Excerpts from: <http://business.asiaone.com/Business/News/Office/Story/A1Story20100531-219382/3.html> ================ If that's not a sweat shop, what's a sweat shop? So maybe the suicide rate is lower at Foxconn than in the US, but it's really bad in the US. People were used to easy living, and now, because j(J)obs moved to China, they live in trailers. Young people want money to buy iPhones, they get a minimum wage job, quit school, end up on drugs. Everybody wants to be rich like Jobs, but jobs are lacking. In China, same new story, same new song: "Mr Terry Gou, chairman of Hon Hai Precision (...), 59, is ranked No. 1 in Forbes' list of Taiwan's richest this year, with wealth of US$5.9 billion (S$8.3 billion) and is ranked No. 136 on Forbes' world's billionaires list. Mr Gou runs Hon Hai with the power of a warlord, The Wall Street Journal said, adding that at the centre of his empire is his walled Shenzhen Foxconn plant. "'I always tell employees: The group's benefit is more important than your personal benefit,' Mr Gou told the Journal in an interview three years ago." (Same article) Now we understand how Jobs and Gou get along so well. Mean Minds Meet! In China, more than the young, it's the elderly who suicide. "Suicide in mainland China shows unique demographic patterns with age: the over-65 age group has the highest rate of completed suicide, reaching 44.3-200 per 100 000, which is four to five times higher than the Chinese general population. Rural suicide rates among the elderly are three to five times higher than the urban rates." <http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/bsc/psy/2009/00000009/00000002/art00006> How is the suicide situation so bad amongst the elderly? Bad moon rising? It's a well know fact that the young people at Foxconn are from rural areas. They can't find a job where their parents live because of agriculture industrialization. As a matter of fact, the parents themselves can hardly make a living and the young hope they'll be able to help by finding a job. But they can't help much with $107 a month.(1) So, the elderly are alone and they can't help but hear of the terrible conditions their children are working in. Many come to teh conclusion that life isn't so good after all. (1) 800.00 CNY = 117.104 USD IOW, for the poor Chinese, capitalism is as harsh as communism used to be. But Messrs Jobs and Gou profits are bursting and Apple Morons hail the feat. To the Morons who will ask once again why I don't post this in csma: I answered this question time and again. Too bad you just read about your moronic technical problems!
From: John McWilliams on 7 Jun 2010 01:37 Mark Swellman wrote: > So, Steiner wnats to plays dirty, can't stand the truth that her pappy Go away, "Mark". -- lsmft
From: Jolly Roger on 7 Jun 2010 09:08 In article <hui0i9$7jr$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, John McWilliams <jpmcw(a)comcast.net> wrote: > Mark Swellman wrote: > > So, Steiner wnats to plays dirty, can't stand the truth that her pappy > > Go away, "Mark". He probably would, if folks stopped giving him the attention he wants. -- Send responses to the relevant news group rather than email to me. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR
From: Warren Oates on 7 Jun 2010 10:54 In article <070620101043195255%star(a)sky.net>, Davoud <star(a)sky.net> wrote: > There is an economic theory--mine--that questions whether an honest > person--one who does not lie, cheat, steal, misappropriate, enslave-- > can accumulate wealth at all. I let my father do all that; when he died, it came to me. I can't help it if I'm lucky. -- Very old woody beets will never cook tender. -- Fannie Farmer
From: Sam Bradford II on 7 Jun 2010 13:02
On 06/07/2010 01:37 AM, John McWilliams wrote: > Mark Swellman wrote: >> So, Steiner wnats to plays dirty, can't stand the truth that her pappy > > Go away, "Mark". What's the problem, dude? Can't believe your /iS/? The gran Master, the cool guy wearing jeans and a turtle neck, the zen Buddhist, the pure spirit, the aesthete, turns out to be just another proslaver delivering the same Foxconn scrap as Dell? How sad! But don't worry, just as he did in 2006, the gran Master will set up an inquiry, put all you Morons to sleep with more lies and then go back to the same practices. Isn't it nice to be an Apple fanboy! |