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From: Michael Helland on 9 Jul 2010 05:56 On Jul 8, 4:31 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 7/8/10 6:26 PM, Sam Wormley wrote: > > > On 7/8/10 3:46 AM, Michael Helland wrote: > >> On Jul 7, 7:40 pm, Immortalist<reanimater_2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>> What sort of things are they if they are things? > > >> Guess who said this: > > >> "It will be helpful to distinguish space and time into absolute and > >> relative. Relative space and time are measurements." > > >> That's Newton in the Principia. Einstein did quite a bit to reinforce > >> that notion. > > >> Of course, that's also more or less Plato, Buddha, and the first words > >> of the Tao and the Bible. > > >> Make of that what you will. > > > Scientific idea live with the support of empirical data. > > Perhaps a better statement: Scientific idea live that fit > current observations, are not contradicted by an observation > and make fruitful predictions. I couldn't agree more.
From: Errol on 9 Jul 2010 06:06 On Jul 8, 7:00 am, Michael C <michaelcochr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 7, 10:40 pm, Immortalist <reanimater_2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > What sort of things are they if they are things? > > > One natural answer is that they comprise continua, three-dimensional > > in the case of space, one-dimensional in the case of time; that is to > > say that they consist of continuous manifolds, positions in which can > > be occupied by substances and events respectively, and which have an > > existence in their own right. > > > It is in virtue of the occupancy of such positions that events and > > processes are to be seen as taking place after each other and > > substances are to be seen in certain spatial relations. > > > Or do space and time have properties of their own independent of the > > objects and events that they contain? > > > Did Einstein show, through his theory of relativity, that since space > > and time can change in shape and duration that space and time are more > > complex than just sustained perceptual constants? > > > Metaphysics - by D. W. Hamlynhttp://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0521286905/ > > Immortalist, > > I think a moment in time is a certain configuration of the > universe. Now, it's not enough to just know where the atoms in the > universe are located in that "moment in time". You'd have to include > things like momentum and the directions they are "currently" moving. > Now, does this definition still allow time to be the fourth > dimension? Well, if a moment in time is a configuration of the > universe, then it seems that knowing what moment in time the universe > is currently at would be enough to describe everything, length, width > and height and then some of all the objects in it. Is time an all > inclusive dimension - does dimension simply mean piece of information > about an object? If you know what time it is, would you know the > length, width, height and locatons (and anything else) of all the > universe's objects? > > Michael C- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I think that each configuration of the universe along the space-time continuum is an act of observation by the universe of itself (whether by human observation or interactions of particles). This particle interaction helps explain the explicable state of twinned particles at a distance as well. Eternity might separate observations, but it is unnoticed by sentient consciousnesses such as humans.
From: John Stafford on 9 Jul 2010 07:17 In article <28fd67e0-84b3-4a72-a7ea-c3609fd6437f(a)c10g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, Errol <vs.errol(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I think that each configuration of the universe along the space-time > continuum is an act of observation by the universe of itself (whether > by human observation or interactions of particles). This particle > interaction helps explain the explicable state of twinned particles at > a distance as well. Eternity might separate observations, but it is > unnoticed by sentient consciousnesses such as humans. Excellent. And human consciousness is the universe is experiencing its creation through one of its created.
From: Michael Gordge on 9 Jul 2010 08:36 On Jul 9, 12:51 am, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Michael Gordge <mikegor...(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote: > >On Jul 8, 11:40 am, Immortalist <reanimater_2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > >What are space and time? > >> What sort of things are they if they are things? > > >Space is matter, it exists regardless of man's mind, time is a man > >made mind dependent concept. > > Hogwash. How much were ewe paid to say that? MG
From: Errol on 9 Jul 2010 09:04
On Jul 9, 2:36 pm, Michael Gordge <mikegor...(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote: > On Jul 9, 12:51 am, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Michael Gordge <mikegor...(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote: > > >On Jul 8, 11:40 am, Immortalist <reanimater_2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >What are space and time? > > >> What sort of things are they if they are things? > > > >Space is matter, it exists regardless of man's mind, time is a man > > >made mind dependent concept. > > > Hogwash. > > How much were ewe paid to say that? > > MG And the tax he paid on that gratuity is all being spent by guvvmint MIB holding a gun to his head while they concoct Global warming conspiracies, I suppose? |