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From: Michael Gordge on 17 Jul 2010 19:05 On Jul 17, 11:35 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > What sort of things are they if they are things? > > Space and time are indeed things. They are not abstractions or merely > instruments neccessitated by physical laws, they are the substance of > which everything consists. > > Space and time are indeed tangible substance, no different than any > other substance. They are the most fundamental substance, everything > is composed of space and time and all of chemistry and physics should > be constructible based on the bending of these things. > > The strange thing about space and time is that it is very much like > fundamental particles in the sense that a particle, say an electron > may be regarded as being particle or wave. Space has some of these > same properties and that is why it is poorly understood IMO. Some > people argue it is continuous. Other argue it is discrete. It has > properties of both, and yet continuous and discrete seem incompatible > kind of like wave/particle aspects. > > The truth is that you can correctly model particles as being waves or > particles. And you can correctly model space as being continuous or > discrete. Both views are correct. The difficulty lies in resolving > that and making it rigorous with the tools that you have been given, > and unfortunately those tools are insufficient to model such a thing. > > If space is discretized - I ask - discretized BY WHAT ??? The only way > to chop or demark a chunk of space which exists, is to place cuts into > it which are nonexistent. That is the only way to chop up the > existent. You chop it up into segments by inserting segments which are > nonexistent - that is the only way. > > To do that you must be able to grasp triviality, order, disorder, and > conservation......all in a very new way. No scientist today has been > trained to think like that and most wold reject the approach. But it > does not matter whether someone likes it or not. If you can produce > accurate models which are consistent with observations in the lab then > you have a useful model. > > It is very straightforward to model this way, yes you have tools which > are not math, but are consistent with math, and equally as valid as > mathematics though they be not math. None of that Kantian garabge says anything about the meaning of space or time, i.e. how do you distinguish time from elephant, space from bottle. MG
From: Michael Gordge on 18 Jul 2010 00:40 On Jul 18, 10:14 am, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > What exactly do you want me to do .... Still waiting for you to give time its very own identity, the law of identity, each entity has its very own identity that seperates it from any other entity. You claiming that something can not exist without space or time, or that everything exists with space and time, says absolutely NOTHING about the meaning of space OR time. MG
From: Michael Gordge on 18 Jul 2010 00:52 On Jul 15, 8:49 am, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > There is no difference between space and time. Anyone who believes that probably eats his own snot. MG
From: Michael Gordge on 18 Jul 2010 04:47 On Jul 18, 1:47 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > My view of spacetime is more aligned with Einstein than Kant. You have yet to explain how to identify time from any other concept, why is that? Why have you used spacetime as if it has a meaning of its own? How does spacetime differ from time and space? MG
From: JT on 18 Jul 2010 05:33
On 18 Juli, 10:47, Michael Gordge <mikegor...(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote: > On Jul 18, 1:47 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > My view of spacetime is more aligned with Einstein than Kant. > > You have yet to explain how to identify time from any other concept, > why is that? > > Why have you used spacetime as if it has a meaning of its own? > > How does spacetime differ from time and space? > > MG Nonesimulated space is basicly the cubic volume of a part of Euclidian space. It has volume quantity by the masses that occupy and encloses it. And this cubic space or volume can be plotted with just three dimensions. Space do not curve, mass that travel space may not travel in a straight line due to mass of gravitational forces but there is no curved space. Time is the ***universal nonevariant linear ratio*** we chosen to measure motion and change, when causual events take place(sets off). On a higher level these causual events is governed by logical determinism, namely ***positional particle/mass existence**** vs ***void*** in the f three dimensional order/cosmos of Euclidian space. Field propagation of ***positional particle/mass existence*** is instant, there is no transmission delay ***instant field collapse and interaction***. Fields do not propagate, waves in matter and particles do. At a field collaps all interacting fields notified instantly. If you do not provoke minds you really did not say anything. JT |