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From: spudnik on 14 Jul 2010 14:15 <deletives impleted> just don't leave a time-tunnel in the vicinity of your grandfather, if he is still alive, because he might configure what you "were about" to do, and hi to the future to prevent you, or the past to give a condom to your dad. "Granpa, it was going to be an accident ... I mean...." "But, Dad, we're Catholic!" > Scientific concensus today isn't your great grandaddy's scientific thus&so: grammar is just a part of the three Rs, the minimum you have to know, to be a literate slave -- and what some so-called Republicans call, "the basics," to impart learning-disorders amongst the rabble's youth. thus&so: first of all, bloodletting has some current back-up ... or, at least, leeches are pretty useful in surgery. secondly, someone "above" made some statement about graphs (that is, quantification) in the harder sciences (although it seems that the soft ones use tons of statistical algorithms), and I'd like to cite the NYTimes weatherpage as a source of subliminal justification for the algorithms of the GCMers. the more qualitative aspect of that page, is the daliy vignettes on various things about weather -- n'est, mesoclimate. my random reading of this shows that cold records are at least as common as hot records, whereby goes my primary (nonquant) take on the phrase, global warming. just say, the climate, she a-changin', and rest easy! > errors as blood letting "scientists" is ridiculous. --Rep. Waxman's "new" cap&trade, same as his circa '91?... Is the House Banking Bill, before Senate, cap&trade?... les ducs d'oil! http://tarpley.net
From: Michael Gordge on 14 Jul 2010 18:51 On Jul 9, 10:39 pm, jmfbahciv <See.ab...(a)aol.com> wrote: > [spit a newsgroup] > > Michael Gordge wrote: > > On Jul 9, 12:51 am, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Michael Gordge <mikegor...(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote: > >> >On Jul 8, 11:40 am, Immortalist <reanimater_2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > >> >What are space and time? > >> >> What sort of things are they if they are things? > > >> >Space is matter, it exists regardless of man's mind, time is a man > >> >made mind dependent concept. > > >> Hogwash. > > > How much were ewe paid to say that? > > You still have no ability to learn. Space and time are > the things you use to avoid getting hit by a semi truck. > > /BAH Which says nothing of the meaning of space and time. To avoid a semi truck you can also use legs, feet, speed, roller skates, etc. so you need to distinguish between space and roller skates. When ewe can explain the differences between space and time and roller skates, you may then on the path to thinking. MG
From: Huang on 14 Jul 2010 19:49 On Jul 14, 5:51 pm, Michael Gordge <mikegor...(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote: > On Jul 9, 10:39 pm, jmfbahciv <See.ab...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > > [spit a newsgroup] > > > Michael Gordge wrote: > > > On Jul 9, 12:51 am, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> Michael Gordge <mikegor...(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote: > > >> >On Jul 8, 11:40 am, Immortalist <reanimater_2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> >What are space and time? > > >> >> What sort of things are they if they are things? > > > >> >Space is matter, it exists regardless of man's mind, time is a man > > >> >made mind dependent concept. > > > >> Hogwash. > > > > How much were ewe paid to say that? > > > You still have no ability to learn. Space and time are > > the things you use to avoid getting hit by a semi truck. > > > /BAH > > Which says nothing of the meaning of space and time. To avoid a semi > truck you can also use legs, feet, speed, roller skates, etc. so you > need to distinguish between space and roller skates. When ewe can > explain the differences between space and time and roller skates, you > may then on the path to thinking. > > MG- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - There is no difference between space and time. Any percieved distinction is just an illusion. They are the same. You can argue the same thing about length and area if you really wanted to, see : space filling Peano curves. Is it a length ? Is it an area ? It is some type of wierd hybrid. Time and length can both be regarded as being probabilistic, and anyone who does not believe me probably eats his own boogers.
From: jmfbahciv on 15 Jul 2010 08:11 Huang wrote: > On Jul 14, 5:51 pm, Michael Gordge <mikegor...(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote: >> On Jul 9, 10:39 pm, jmfbahciv <See.ab...(a)aol.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > [spit a newsgroup] >> >> > Michael Gordge wrote: >> > > On Jul 9, 12:51 am, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> Michael Gordge <mikegor...(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote: >> > >> >On Jul 8, 11:40 am, Immortalist <reanimater_2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >What are space and time? >> > >> >> What sort of things are they if they are things? >> >> > >> >Space is matter, it exists regardless of man's mind, time is a man >> > >> >made mind dependent concept. >> >> > >> Hogwash. >> >> > > How much were ewe paid to say that? >> >> > You still have no ability to learn. Space and time are >> > the things you use to avoid getting hit by a semi truck. >> >> > /BAH >> >> Which says nothing of the meaning of space and time. To avoid a semi >> truck you can also use legs, feet, speed, roller skates, etc. so you >> need to distinguish between space and roller skates. When ewe can >> explain the differences between space and time and roller skates, you >> may then on the path to thinking. >> >> MG- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > > There is no difference between space and time. Any percieved > distinction is just an illusion. They are the same. > > You can argue the same thing about length and area if you really > wanted to, see : space filling Peano curves. Is it a length ? Is it an > area ? It is some type of wierd hybrid. > > Time and length can both be regarded as being probabilistic, and > anyone who does not believe me probably eats his own boogers. > ARe you people on drugs? /BAH
From: Tim Golden BandTech.com on 15 Jul 2010 08:26
On Jul 14, 3:15 pm, John Stafford <n...(a)droffats.net> wrote: > To begin to imagine time, it helps to consider it evidence of > information in the formal sense. Information acts upon other > information. Time might just be the consequence of the exchange of > information that we observe as entropy. Whether one accepts the unification of space and time then becomes an issue. This is the beauty of polysign: it presents a unidirectional zero dimensional algebra that has been overlooked, just beneath the real number. The real number is consistent within polysign as P2, or the two-signed numbers. The one-signed numbers P1 match time's seeming paradox. They are near to claims of nonexistent time since they have a zero dimensional geometry. But this then does allow the spacetime paradign to take deeper meaning. Time is not a real number. The real number is bidirectional. Time is unidirectional. The whole system of cartesian thinking is wrong because it relies upon the real number as fundamental. The real number is not fundamental. Magnitude and sign are more fundamental concepts. This is the marriage of continuous and discrete that we work alot with in physics. The pure math of polysign has been overlooked. Emergent spacetime with unidirectional time sits there waiting for someone with the capability to generate a theory that takes us into a new age. It will hopefully be a simpler and less conflicted system than modern physics. There are plenty of dynamics in the math as can be seen here: http://bandtechnology.com/PolySigned/MagnitudeSweep/index.html - Tim - Tim |