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From: Nicolas Neuss on 12 Jan 2010 03:33 mdj <mdj.mdj(a)gmail.com> writes: > To me, the arrogance of the newcomers pales in comparison to the > arrogance of some 'experts' - at least in the case of the newcomer we > *know* it's born of ignorance. At times when I see a seasoned user > accuse a newcomer of "braindamaged" thinking that's the result of > using 'inferior' tools I'm forced to wonder whether those individuals > really do *know* why Lisp is better at certain things or whether they > themselves simply *believe* it. Who exactly do you have in mind (being a seasoned CL user and speaking of "braindamaged thinking")? I know only two people who would fit this description, and one of them has passed by. Nicolas
From: mdj on 12 Jan 2010 03:42 On 12 Jan, 18:33, Nicolas Neuss <lastn...(a)math.uni-karlsruhe.de> wrote: > Who exactly do you have in mind (being a seasoned CL user and speaking > of "braindamaged thinking")? I know only two people who would fit this > description, and one of them has passed by. I was only commenting on the behaviour itself rather than individuals, but I suspect there's some intersection between your set and mine
From: Nicolas Neuss on 12 Jan 2010 03:56 mdj <mdj.mdj(a)gmail.com> writes: > On 12 Jan, 18:33, Nicolas Neuss <lastn...(a)math.uni-karlsruhe.de> > wrote: > >> Who exactly do you have in mind (being a seasoned CL user and speaking >> of "braindamaged thinking")? �I know only two people who would fit this >> description, and one of them has passed by. > > I was only commenting on the behaviour itself rather than individuals, > but I suspect there's some intersection between your set and mine I really hate these diffuse accusations. The two people I have in mind surely knew/know why CL was better and did not "simply believe it". Nicolas
From: mdj on 12 Jan 2010 04:03 On 12 Jan, 18:56, Nicolas Neuss <lastn...(a)math.uni-karlsruhe.de> wrote: > mdj <mdj....(a)gmail.com> writes: > > On 12 Jan, 18:33, Nicolas Neuss <lastn...(a)math.uni-karlsruhe.de> > > wrote: > > >> Who exactly do you have in mind (being a seasoned CL user and speaking > >> of "braindamaged thinking")? I know only two people who would fit this > >> description, and one of them has passed by. > > > I was only commenting on the behaviour itself rather than individuals, > > but I suspect there's some intersection between your set and mine > > I really hate these diffuse accusations. The two people I have in mind > surely knew/know why CL was better and did not "simply believe it". Fair enough. I'm over the banal arguments that ensue from direct accusation so diffusing into observation seems more peaceful.
From: John Thingstad on 12 Jan 2010 05:39
The Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:13:37 +0100, Nicolas Neuss wrote: >> >> Lisp may be wonderful but beginner friendly it is not. > > Compared with what? > Oddly I think is fine for a beginner. It is for seasoned programmes that learning it is hard. Take Perl. You get the basic sed and awk syntax, you get the C syntax and you get the command line programs like chmod. So if you are a unix scripter learning Perl is easy. Even in Python if you are familiar with the C library you get a basic working base of functions 'for free'. Lisp is different. All names for common things are different. So assosiative transfer works rather poorly. It doesn't help that it if very difficult to find things in the hyperspec in you don't know where to look or what the name is . I remember looking at list functions and not finding what I needed because it was listed under sequence for example. Similarly the coding teckniques are different than in C. -- John Thingstad |