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From: Espen Vestre on 12 Jan 2010 05:56 John Thingstad <jpthing(a)online.no> writes: > Oddly I think is fine for a beginner. It is for seasoned programmes that > learning it is hard. Very good points. Kind of reminds me of my first Simula lecture at the University of Oslo with the late Bj�rn Kirkerud. He asked those who knew BASIC to raise their hands. A lot did, and he responded: OK, you guys are going to have a harder time than those who have no prior knowledge of programming! -- (espen)
From: Nicolas Neuss on 12 Jan 2010 07:24 mdj <mdj.mdj(a)gmail.com> writes: > On 12 Jan, 18:56, Nicolas Neuss <lastn...(a)math.uni-karlsruhe.de> > wrote: >> mdj <mdj....(a)gmail.com> writes: >> > On 12 Jan, 18:33, Nicolas Neuss <lastn...(a)math.uni-karlsruhe.de> >> > wrote: >> >> >> Who exactly do you have in mind (being a seasoned CL user and speaking >> >> of "braindamaged thinking")? �I know only two people who would fit this >> >> description, and one of them has passed by. >> >> > I was only commenting on the behaviour itself rather than individuals, >> > but I suspect there's some intersection between your set and mine >> >> I really hate these diffuse accusations. �The two people I have in mind >> surely knew/know why CL was better and did not "simply believe it". > > Fair enough. I'm over the banal arguments that ensue from direct > accusation so diffusing into observation seems more peaceful. Even more peaceful would be if you would then keep those non-specifiable observations to yourself. Nicolas
From: Nick Keighley on 12 Jan 2010 07:54 On 12 Jan, 10:39, John Thingstad <jpth...(a)online.no> wrote: > The Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:13:37 +0100, Nicolas Neuss wrote: > >> Lisp may be wonderful but beginner friendly it is not. > > > Compared with what? > > Oddly I think is fine for a beginner. It is for seasoned programmes that > learning it is hard. Take Perl. please! > You get the basic sed and awk syntax, you > get the C syntax and you get the command line programs like chmod. So if > you are a unix scripter learning Perl is easy. I use perl where I used to use awk (it has enough on awk to be worth it). I use perl for PC scripts, because, well I've got to choose something and I know a bit of perl. Whilst C looks like a kitten stepped on your keyboard, perl looks like squadrons of paratrooping epilectic cats fell on your keyboard. > Even in Python if you are > familiar with the C library you get a basic working base of functions > 'for free'. > > Lisp is different. All names for common things are different. So > assosiative transfer works rather poorly. well I'm learning scheme and presumably that would give me the same problem. > It doesn't help that it if very > difficult to find things in the hyperspec in you don't know where to look > or what the name is . whilst in scheme I can just use serial search :-) > I remember looking at list functions and not > finding what I needed because it was listed under sequence for example. > Similarly the coding teckniques are different than in C. hopefully scheme won't send me in the wrong direction.
From: mdj on 12 Jan 2010 07:58 On 12 Jan, 22:24, Nicolas Neuss <lastn...(a)math.uni-karlsruhe.de> wrote: > > Fair enough. I'm over the banal arguments that ensue from direct > > accusation so diffusing into observation seems more peaceful. > > Even more peaceful would be if you would then keep those non-specifiable > observations to yourself. I give up. What exactly is your problem ?
From: Nicolas Neuss on 12 Jan 2010 08:07
mdj <mdj.mdj(a)gmail.com> writes: > I give up. What exactly is your problem ? I give up as well. What precisely didn't you understand? Bye, Nicolas |