What is the meaning of life for the atheist
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From: Otto Bahn on 1 Aug 2010 16:36 "Virgil" <Virgil(a)home.esc> wrote >> Abortion is not only murder (causing the death of an innocent) by >> human law, it is a crime against the species. > > Murder requires the death of a human, and in law a fetus is not human > until born. Except in states where killing a pregnant woman is a double homicide. Then there's the sticky wicket of a 36 week "abortion" and where do you draw the magic line. I'm not completely anti-abortion, but y'all might want to think this thing through a tad. I draw the line at organized brain activity, assuming it isn't an issue of the mother's health, but that's just me, and there are other logical end points other than "a fetus is not a human being". --oTTo--
From: purple on 1 Aug 2010 17:52 On 8/1/2010 3:36 PM, Otto Bahn wrote: > "Virgil"<Virgil(a)home.esc> wrote > >>> Abortion is not only murder (causing the death of an innocent) by >>> human law, it is a crime against the species. >> >> Murder requires the death of a human, and in law a fetus is not human >> until born. > > Except in states where killing a pregnant woman is a double homicide. > Then there's the sticky wicket of a 36 week "abortion" and where do > you draw the magic line. I'm not completely anti-abortion, but y'all > might want to think this thing through a tad. > > I draw the line at organized brain activity, assuming it isn't an issue > of the mother's health, but that's just me, and there are other logical > end points other than "a fetus is not a human being". We have lots of posting here by alleged humans lacking any recognizable sort of organized brain activity.
From: Dr. HotSalt on 1 Aug 2010 23:22 On Jul 31, 11:17 am, SkyEyes <skyey...(a)cox.net> wrote: > On Jul 30, 4:55 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > I am anti-abortion. For me it's not about spirituality. > > > Abortion is not only murder (causing the death of an innocent) by > > human law, it is a crime against the species. > > And slavery *isn't*? Because, face it, that's what forcing a woman to > have a child she does not want amounts to. Nowadays we know what causes pregnancy. There is little excuse for "I didn't know". Also, doesn't "I don't want" sound just the least bit selfish? Do you define facing the consequences of one's actions "slavery"? > In addition, a State that controls human reproduction is, by > definition, a large, intrusive government. I can't recall saying anything about The State. So happens I'm an Anarchist. The mere concept of government is, by your definition, slavery. > I'm not even going to go into the fact that the earth is already > overpopulated The whole planet? By whose metric? > and that if every unwanted fetus were to be born We can quibble "bit of tissue" terminology all day, but I notice you haven't said "it isn't murder". > it would simply hasten the times that Thomas Malthus described so > vividly. There is no law or mechanism that makes humans immune from > those horrors. Sure there is; we just need to quit screwing around with idiocies like Social Programs that don't (and as set up and implemented, can't) work, organized warfare, organized religion (despite appearances, they're not quite the same thing) and figure out how to get the hell off the planet. Malthus works in a closed system, just like thermodynamics and for similar reasons. Open the system and he's irrelevant. Mark L. Fergerson
From: Autymn D. C. on 2 Aug 2010 04:54 On Jul 30, 4:55 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I am anti-abortion. For me it's not about spirituality. > > Abortion is not only murder (causing the death of an innocent) by > human law, it is a crime against the species. It's not murder by law. > See, species are made up of individuals. No individuals, no species. > > Individuals are *important*. > > Individuals can be useful, even essential to the species as a whole, > not just to the individual's particular genome. You can't predict > which combinations of genes will produce a drooling feeb-for-life, or > a Ghandi, a Penrose, a Beatle, you get the idea. > > Yeah, you get the odd Genghis, or whoever. We're getting better at > ignoring them though. This is bullshit. Nature aborts one trillion sperm for every werman. Individuals are cheap and replacabil when small and young. -Aut
From: Mark Edwards on 2 Aug 2010 08:17
No cluons were harmed when Dr. HotSalt wrote: > Nowadays we know what causes pregnancy. Cabbage leaves? Mark Edwards -- Proof of Sanity Forged Upon Request |