From: Hammy on
On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:14:53 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:


>
>For nasty jobs, like when the autistic grandson flung open a door and
>busted thru the door stop, I take a piece of wood, string thru the
>middle, lather with glue, then pull it up behind the hole... then do
>the patching after the glue dries.
>
> ...Jim Thompson

Nice I'll have to remember that one.
From: Michael A. Terrell on

Jim Thompson wrote:
>
> On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:11:03 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Jim Thompson wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:21:56 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
> >> <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Hammy wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Can you tell I really hate drywall. Actually not the drywall part its
> >> >> the sanding, that fine dust gets all through the house and ductwork
> >> >> its a PITA.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > There is no need for sanding, if you do it right. Get as smooth of a
> >> >joint as you can, then use a damp sponge to remove any ridges or
> >> >excess. No sanding, no plaster dust to clean up. If you're good at it,
> >> >you can't tell a repair was made. Just don't to it in one thick coat.
> >> >Several thin layers don't shrink or crack.
> >>
> >> And use the fiberglass joint tape!
> >
> >
> > If the hole is big enough to need it. Small repairs don't always
> >need it. Sometimes I use a scrap of aluminum screen wire in the bottom
> >of the hole, and gently press the first layer of plaster through the
> >mesh. That gives a sold base for the rest of the repair without
> >anything to ruin the finish.
>
> I've used coarse steel wool as a "binder".


Don't let it be too close to the surface in humid areas or the rust
will bleed through to the surface. that was why I used scraps of
aluminum screening. If it corrodes, it's still a very light color.


> For nasty jobs, like when the autistic grandson flung open a door and
> busted thru the door stop, I take a piece of wood, string thru the
> middle, lather with glue, then pull it up behind the hole... then do
> the patching after the glue dries.


You can also shove a wad of newspaper into the hole, and down a few
inches so you can fill the void with patching plaster to spread the
force across a wider area for the next time.

If the hole is the size of a door knob (or large) I cut out a piece
as high as necessary, and between the studs to put a new piece of
drywall. While the hole is open you can screw a pair of blocks to the
studs, and put a piece of 1" * 4" in the wall so it is a lot harder to
damage in the future. Then you only have a very thin line to plaster
around the new piece of drywall.

--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'
From: Michael A. Terrell on

"krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote:
>
> It's not good for anything. Premix is water soluble and the second coat
> softens the first - a major PITA. The mix-it-yourself stuff is plaster of
> paris based and sets up permanently. It's *much* easier work with.


It depends on the supplier. Some has industrial alcohol as well as
water. It has a lot longer shelf life, and you need to put a thin layer
of water over any leftover premix to extend the useful life. Once it
starts to harden, it's useless except to pour into a hole over a layer
of newspaper to fill a wall cavity.


The second coat should be a lot thinner than the first coat. A finish
coat should be under 1/8". A 1/16" coat is preferred, to fill in
scratches or hairline cracks caused by applying too much at once.

OTOH, you can use 'Never Shrink' if you're lazy, and not too choosy.


--
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From: krw on
On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 01:31:43 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>"krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote:
>>
>> It's not good for anything. Premix is water soluble and the second coat
>> softens the first - a major PITA. The mix-it-yourself stuff is plaster of
>> paris based and sets up permanently. It's *much* easier work with.
>
>
> It depends on the supplier. Some has industrial alcohol as well as
>water. It has a lot longer shelf life, and you need to put a thin layer
>of water over any leftover premix to extend the useful life. Once it
>starts to harden, it's useless except to pour into a hole over a layer
>of newspaper to fill a wall cavity.

But the final coat is *not* waterproof until it's painted. The second coat of
mud loosens the first and can become a real PITA. This isn't all bad, though
because you can work the dried mud with a sponge instead of sanding. I find
the PITA more trouble than it's worth, though. The mix-it-yourself stuff
cures much faster (15-90min, depending on the mix) and is easier to work with.
>
>
> The second coat should be a lot thinner than the first coat. A finish
>coat should be under 1/8". A 1/16" coat is preferred, to fill in
>scratches or hairline cracks caused by applying too much at once.

1/8" is *way* too thick for a finish coat. The problem with the premix is
that the finish coat softens the base coat so any sanding done on the base
coat is useless.

> OTOH, you can use 'Never Shrink' if you're lazy, and not too choosy.

Never used it (I don't think).
From: Michael A. Terrell on
"krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote:
>
> On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 01:31:43 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >"krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote:
> >>
> >> It's not good for anything. Premix is water soluble and the second coat
> >> softens the first - a major PITA. The mix-it-yourself stuff is plaster of
> >> paris based and sets up permanently. It's *much* easier work with.
> >
> >
> > It depends on the supplier. Some has industrial alcohol as well as
> >water. It has a lot longer shelf life, and you need to put a thin layer
> >of water over any leftover premix to extend the useful life. Once it
> >starts to harden, it's useless except to pour into a hole over a layer
> >of newspaper to fill a wall cavity.
>
> But the final coat is *not* waterproof until it's painted. The second coat of
> mud loosens the first and can become a real PITA.


I've hung & finished a LOT of drywall and never had that problem.


> This isn't all bad, though
> because you can work the dried mud with a sponge instead of sanding. I find
> the PITA more trouble than it's worth, though. The mix-it-yourself stuff
> cures much faster (15-90min, depending on the mix) and is easier to work with.


It can set up too fast, and crack.


> > The second coat should be a lot thinner than the first coat. A finish
> >coat should be under 1/8". A 1/16" coat is preferred, to fill in
> >scratches or hairline cracks caused by applying too much at once.
>
> 1/8" is *way* too thick for a finish coat. The problem with the premix is
> that the finish coat softens the base coat so any sanding done on the base
> coat is useless.


1/8" is what I see when the job is done by a 'pro'.


> > OTOH, you can use 'Never Shrink' if you're lazy, and not too choosy.
>
> Never used it (I don't think).


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