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From: The great philosopher-criminologist on 29 Mar 2005 08:08 Gavan wrote: > "The great philosopher-criminologist" <bedford_park2000(a)yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:<1112021261.561487.254110(a)o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>... > > Gavan wrote: > > > "The great philosopher-criminologist" <bedford_park2000(a)yahoo.ca> > > wrote in message > > news:<1111967033.368785.207600(a)f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>... > > > > Gavan wrote: > > > > > "The great philosopher-criminologist" <bedford_park2000(a)yahoo.ca> > > > > wrote in message > > > > news:<1111880705.429415.226920(a)f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>... > > > > > > Denis Loubet wrote: > > > > > > > "The great philosopher-criminologist" > > <bedford_park2000(a)yahoo.ca> > > > > > > wrote in > > > > > > > message > > > > news:1111874993.415822.226320(a)l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > What is wrong with saying that God works in Mysterious > > ways? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, if it said to excuse the supposed actions of a god, > > then > > > > the > > > > > > one > > > > > > > saying it is stating that they don't actually care what the > > god > > > > they > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > in does, or what its motives are, they'll just worship it > > anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a big denial of personal responsibility. It's like > > saying > > > > "I'll > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > that Hitler guy anywhere. I know he kills Jews, but I'm sure > > he > > > > has > > > > > > our best > > > > > > > interests at heart." > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, for some people, as long as they are comforted, that is > > all > > > > that > > > > > > matters. > > > > > > > > > > How hypocritical that someone who espouses the virtues of an > > > > > organisation that proclaims peace and love for all would now say > > that > > > > > one's own comfort is all that matters. > > > > > > > > This is just in response to those that ask, "Why did God help you > > with > > > > your success while he lets someone else in another part of the > > world > > > > starve.?" > > > > > > > > I am just saying that some people say that if God wants to work > > like > > > > that, then that is okay with them. > > > > > > This sort of attitudue would be in conflict with the teachings of > > > almost all major religions wouldn't it? > > > > Hey, Ayn Rand believed something similar. > > For my next question; > > When you use the word 'works'are you implying that god exerts some > sort of control over our lives and the paths they take? Yes. If you are could you please define for me exactly what form this takes. It takes many different forms. For example, suppose one person wanted to be a correctional officer and that person fails the test to become one. It was in the control of God. That person then want on to become a lawyer and succeeded. That person would say, "God wanted me to be a lawyer all along." That person also has to feel it in his heart too. Also with the euthanasia debate flaring again due to the Terri Schiavo case do you believe that it is god who determines whether or not a person dies and the manner in which this death will take place? Yes.
From: The great philosopher-criminologist on 29 Mar 2005 08:14 The great philosopher-criminologist wrote: > Gavan wrote: > > "The great philosopher-criminologist" <bedford_park2000(a)yahoo.ca> > wrote in message > news:<1112021261.561487.254110(a)o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>... > > > Gavan wrote: > > > > "The great philosopher-criminologist" <bedford_park2000(a)yahoo.ca> > > > wrote in message > > > news:<1111967033.368785.207600(a)f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>... > > > > > Gavan wrote: > > > > > > "The great philosopher-criminologist" > <bedford_park2000(a)yahoo.ca> > > > > > wrote in message > > > > > news:<1111880705.429415.226920(a)f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>... > > > > > > > Denis Loubet wrote: > > > > > > > > "The great philosopher-criminologist" > > > <bedford_park2000(a)yahoo.ca> > > > > > > > wrote in > > > > > > > > message > > > > > news:1111874993.415822.226320(a)l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > > What is wrong with saying that God works in Mysterious > > > ways? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, if it said to excuse the supposed actions of a god, > > > then > > > > > the > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > saying it is stating that they don't actually care what > the > > > god > > > > > they > > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > > in does, or what its motives are, they'll just worship it > > > anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a big denial of personal responsibility. It's like > > > saying > > > > > "I'll > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > that Hitler guy anywhere. I know he kills Jews, but I'm > sure > > > he > > > > > has > > > > > > > our best > > > > > > > > interests at heart." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, for some people, as long as they are comforted, that > is > > > all > > > > > that > > > > > > > matters. > > > > > > > > > > > > How hypocritical that someone who espouses the virtues of an > > > > > > organisation that proclaims peace and love for all would now > say > > > that > > > > > > one's own comfort is all that matters. > > > > > > > > > > This is just in response to those that ask, "Why did God help > you > > > with > > > > > your success while he lets someone else in another part of the > > > world > > > > > starve.?" > > > > > > > > > > I am just saying that some people say that if God wants to work > > > like > > > > > that, then that is okay with them. > > > > > > > > This sort of attitudue would be in conflict with the teachings of > > > > almost all major religions wouldn't it? > > > > > > Hey, Ayn Rand believed something similar. > > > > For my next question; > > > > When you use the word 'works'are you implying that god exerts some > > sort of control over our lives and the paths they take? > > Yes. > > If you are could you please define for me exactly what form this takes. > > > It takes many different forms. For example, suppose one person wanted > to be a correctional officer and that person fails the test to become > one. It was in the control of God. That person then want on to become a > lawyer and succeeded. That person would say, "God wanted me to be a > lawyer all along." That person also has to feel it in his heart too. > > > > Also with > the euthanasia debate flaring again due to the Terri Schiavo case do > you believe that it is god who determines whether or not a person dies > and the manner in which this death will take place? > > Yes. Also, Jessica says the same thing.
From: Elroy Willis on 29 Mar 2005 08:18 The great philosopher-criminologist wrote in alt.atheism >> Also with the euthanasia debate flaring again due to the Terri Schiavo >> case do you believe that it is god who determines whether or not a person >> dies and the manner in which this death will take place? > Yes. So all those people who died on 9/11 died because your god willed their deaths? And the hundreds of thousands that died in the last tsunami died because it was your god willed them to die? -- Elroy Willis www.elroysemporium.com
From: The great philosopher-criminologist on 29 Mar 2005 08:20 Elroy Willis wrote: > The great philosopher-criminologist wrote in alt.atheism > > >> Also with the euthanasia debate flaring again due to the Terri Schiavo > >> case do you believe that it is god who determines whether or not a person > >> dies and the manner in which this death will take place? > > > Yes. > > So all those people who died on 9/11 died because your god willed > their deaths? And the hundreds of thousands that died in the last > tsunami died because it was your god willed them to die? Planned it all from the beginning.
From: Elroy Willis on 29 Mar 2005 08:29
The great philosopher-criminologist wrote in alt.atheism > Elroy Willis wrote: >> The great philosopher-criminologist wrote in alt.atheism >>>> Also with the euthanasia debate flaring again due to the Terri >>>> Schiavo case do you believe that it is god who determines whether >>>> or not a person dies and the manner in which this death will take >>>> place? >>> Yes. >> So all those people who died on 9/11 died because your god willed >> their deaths? And the hundreds of thousands that died in the last >> tsunami died because it was your god willed them to die? > Planned it all from the beginning. So you basically worship a mass murderer. How nice. -- Elroy Willis www.elroysemporium.com |