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From: Robibnikoff on 29 Mar 2005 10:43 "The great philosopher-criminologist" <bedford_park2000(a)yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:1112110176.467067.274420(a)g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Elroy Willis wrote: > > The great philosopher-criminologist wrote in alt.atheism > > > > > Elroy Willis wrote: > > >> The great philosopher-criminologist wrote in alt.atheism > > > > >>>> Also with the euthanasia debate flaring again due to the Terri > > >>>> Schiavo case do you believe that it is god who determines > whether > > >>>> or not a person dies and the manner in which this death will > take > > >>>> place? > > > > >>> Yes. > > > > >> So all those people who died on 9/11 died because your god willed > > >> their deaths? And the hundreds of thousands that died in the last > > >> tsunami died because it was your god willed them to die? > > > > > Planned it all from the beginning. > > > > So you basically worship a mass murderer. How nice. > > As Cyril O'Reilly and Sister Peter Marie said, "We don't choose God/ > God chooses us." Why do you think atheists would give a hoot what this O'Reilly guy and Sister Peter whatshername have to say? Goodness knows I couldn't care less. -- ------ Robyn Resident Witchypoo #1557
From: Robibnikoff on 29 Mar 2005 10:43 "The great philosopher-criminologist" <bedford_park2000(a)yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:1112110290.043277.55930(a)g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Sweet Ol' Bob SOB wrote: > > On 29 Mar 2005 05:08:00 -0800, "The great philosopher-criminologist" > > <bedford_park2000(a)yahoo.ca> wrote: > > > > >suppose one person wanted > > >to be a correctional officer and that person fails the test to > become > > >one. It was in the control of God. That person then want on to > become a > > >lawyer and succeeded. That person would say, "God wanted me to be a > > >lawyer all along." That person also has to feel it in his heart too. > > > > Only the Devil can motivate someone to become a lawyer. > > > > God would never coerce someone to become evil. > > Tell that to Constance Cumbey. Oh my, dueling loonies. -- ------ Robyn Resident Witchypoo #1557
From: Robibnikoff on 29 Mar 2005 10:44 "The great philosopher-criminologist" <bedford_park2000(a)yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:1112110481.363885.271670(a)z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > > Sweet Ol' Bob SOB wrote: > > On 29 Mar 2005 05:08:00 -0800, "The great philosopher-criminologist" > > <bedford_park2000(a)yahoo.ca> wrote: > > > > >suppose one person wanted > > >to be a correctional officer and that person fails the test to > become > > >one. It was in the control of God. That person then want on to > become a > > >lawyer and succeeded. That person would say, "God wanted me to be a > > >lawyer all along." That person also has to feel it in his heart too. > > > > Only the Devil can motivate someone to become a lawyer. > > Then explain this, www.lawcf.org/ >
From: Elroy Willis on 29 Mar 2005 11:02 sob(a)sob.com (Sweet Ol' Bob (SOB)) wrote in alt.atheism > Elroy Willis <elroywillis(a)swbell.net> wrote: >>>> So all those people who died on 9/11 died because your god willed >>>> their deaths? And the hundreds of thousands that died in the last >>>> tsunami died because it was your god willed them to die? >>> Planned it all from the beginning. >> So you basically worship a mass murderer. How nice. > You all are assuming that God knows about such events in advance. But > that cannot be the case, because God cannot be expected to do > something that contradicts reality. > Don't let the theologians brainwash you into this omniscience > nonsense. There are aspects of reality that are intrinsically > Unknowable, and that means that even God cannot know them. > Theologians like to hide behind the "infinite" when they don't > understand something. Actually, the "infinite" is a mathematical > concept, not a metaphysical one. And as Turing, Godel and Russell > showed, Mathematics is not the same as Metaphysics. > God cannot be expected to do something that contradicts reality. > Foreknowledge of things that are intrinsically unknowable is not > possible. Then that renders Biblical prophecies impossible or invalid. That's the reason I don't believe in them, because I don't think the future is fixed in stone or knowable to 100% accuracy. > This line of thinking solves the dilemna of Free Will. You can make > decisions that even God does not know about until you make them. > Therefore it is useless to blame God for your mistakes or accidents of > nature, like floods. It's useless to pretend that some invisible god knows anything at all, don't you think? What purpose does it serve? Even the godbots claim they can't understand the so-called "plan" of their god. The whole idea is ridiculous and impossible, but they won't admit it for some reason. -- Elroy Willis www.elroysemporium.com
From: Elroy Willis on 29 Mar 2005 11:04
The great philosopher-criminologist wrote in alt.atheism > Elroy Willis wrote: >> The great philosopher-criminologist wrote in alt.atheism >>> Elroy Willis wrote: >>>> The great philosopher-criminologist wrote in alt.atheism >>>>>> Also with the euthanasia debate flaring again due to the Terri >>>>>> Schiavo case do you believe that it is god who determines >>>>>> whether or not a person dies and the manner in which this >>>>>> death will take place? >>>>> Yes. >>>> So all those people who died on 9/11 died because your god willed >>>> their deaths? And the hundreds of thousands that died in the last >>>> tsunami died because it was your god willed them to die? >>> Planned it all from the beginning. >> So you basically worship a mass murderer. How nice. > As Cyril O'Reilly and Sister Peter Marie said, "We don't choose God/ > God chooses us." And you obviously think you're a chosen one, is that right? -- Elroy Willis www.elroysemporium.com |