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From: chris on 19 Apr 2010 10:55 On 19/04/10 14:08, James Jolley wrote: > On 2010-04-19 14:05:35 +0100, Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> said: > >> On 2010-04-19, James Jolley <jrjolley(a)me.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Can see why. I, again, can't use chrome because it's not working with >>>>> VO at this time. This is unusual as it's meant to use webkit isn't it? >>>> >>>> I'm guessing, but I don't think VO links to WebKit as such, but to the >>>> browser itself. >>>> >>>> Jim >>> >>> Possible I suppose. It's interesting that VO reads other HTML type >>> areas well enough, software update release notes - that kind of thing. >> >> I could very well be wrong. Like I say, it was purely a guess. >> >> Jim > > It's a fair guess and probably true in some related way. I know that > Safari has an object model that VO is using to get the page structurees > - number of lists/links/headings/etc. It uses this object model to > effectively parse the HTML so that lists are indicated properly and > bulletted. > > Perhaps it's just so tied in with Safari right now, doesn't mean things > won't change. Flock worked with VO but it's not my sort of browser. It's odd that Firefox doesn't work with VO, but Flock does. Seeing as Flock is based on Firefox I'd expect both or neither to work.
From: SM on 19 Apr 2010 11:00 Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie(a)sometimes.sessile.org> wrote: > On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:10:50 +0100, info(a)that.sundog.co.uk (SM) wrote: > > >Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie(a)sometimes.sessile.org> wrote: > > > >> 1) I *hate* having my current tab overwritten by eg using the search > >> bar to search for associated info to whatever I'm reading. > > > >Is this not solved in Safari by command-clicking, command-returning etc? > > Yes, but it doesn't work when dragging a URL in from another text > source, and requires not only two hands but also a non-default "go" > action. So stuff it. Understood. I don't drag URLs, normally right-click and then 'open in a new tab'. > I prefer to have the default action to be nondestructive. Or at least, > non-irritating! OK :-) Stuart -- cut that out to reply
From: chris on 19 Apr 2010 11:02 On 19/04/10 13:03, James Jolley wrote: > This has probably been done to death but what actually makes a good > browser? Many here prefer one over another, whether it be Safari or > Firefox or some other. My views have already been stated and I won't > bother boring you all again because I know my views here aren't > generally respected. > > I only bring it up because of Jamie's remarks that he didn't use Safari > in the hacking thread. I almost exclusively use Firefox. The reasons are, firstly that it's cross-platform so I can use it on my Mac and Linux machines and not have to change my way of working. Secondly, there are several add-ons that I cannot do without: Zotero, Xmarks, Noscript, Tree Style Tab and Firebug.
From: zoara on 20 Apr 2010 11:21 Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote: > On 2010-04-20, James Dore <james.dore(a)new.ox.ac.uk> wrote: > > <snip> > > It occurs to me that I've not looked at OmniWeb in a while. Might have > to > give that a go. It's been temporarily retired on my machine... I reckon I'm it's most vocal supporter on here and I still love a lot of what it does. But it was just slow, slow, slow, and it finally got too much for me. I'm trying it again when I get a faster machine, or at least one that doesn't burn my thighs if I leave Omniweb running with a load of tabs open... -z- -- email: nettid1 at fastmail dot fm
From: Ben Shimmin on 19 Apr 2010 12:05
James Jolley <jrjolley(a)me.com>: > On 2010-04-19 14:05:35 +0100, Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> said: >> On 2010-04-19, James Jolley <jrjolley(a)me.com> wrote: >>>>> Can see why. I, again, can't use chrome because it's not working with >>>>> VO at this time. This is unusual as it's meant to use webkit isn't it? >>>> >>>> I'm guessing, but I don't think VO links to WebKit as such, but to the >>>> browser itself. >>>> >>>> Jim >>> >>> Possible I suppose. It's interesting that VO reads other HTML type >>> areas well enough, software update release notes - that kind of thing. >> >> I could very well be wrong. Like I say, it was purely a guess. > > It's a fair guess and probably true in some related way. I know that > Safari has an object model that VO is using to get the page structurees > - number of lists/links/headings/etc. It uses this object model to > effectively parse the HTML so that lists are indicated properly and > bulletted. > > Perhaps it's just so tied in with Safari right now, doesn't mean things > won't change. Flock worked with VO but it's not my sort of browser. I was interested in how WebKit interacts with VoiceOver -- I sort of assumed that VoiceOver would be more of a function of the browser's chrome[1] than part of the rendering engine itself, but I was prepared to be totally wrong -- and found the following link, which seemed promising: <URL:http://webkit.org/projects/accessibility/> Unfortunately, it doesn't really offer a lot of detail on the subject. :) b. [1] I'm using the term `chrome' to refer to the bits *around* the actual WebView itself, not Google's Chrome browser. -- <bas(a)bas.me.uk> <URL:http://bas.me.uk/> `Zombies are defined by behavior and can be "explained" by many handy shortcuts: the supernatural, radiation, a virus, space visitors, secret weapons, a Harvard education and so on.' -- Roger Ebert |