Where is the backup utility for Outlook 2010?
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From: Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] on 6 May 2010 20:15 The only backup I have ever needed was a simple three step process. 1. Locate your .pst file 2. Copy 3. Paste in your favorite location. How hard can it be? -- Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. ALWAYS post your Outlook version. How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375 After furious head scratching, jimmy fallon asked: | Answers like the first 2 are the reason some people hate computers. | | The ability to click on "File, backup" should NOT be a luxury, it | should be standard. | | Sure I can hunt around for my .pst file, but this is 2010, I | shouldn't have to. I should be able to click on "file, backup" | because, if everything in the world were to explode tomorrow, I would | still be happy if I had my Outlook file. | | And for the third reply, no, the free downloadable utility (from | microsoft.com) that was available for every single version of Outlook | I have ever used is NOT available for 2010, and the previous versions | do not work. | | Anyone else have a good answer? Developers or like minded thinkers | need not apply... | | jf | | | | "LD5SZRA" wrote: | || || For Outlook 2010 the utility hasn't been released/updated yet but || I suspect the old utility (link below) might work but I haven't || tried it yet as my current system hasn't got Office 2010: || || <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=8B081F3A-B7D0-4B16-B8AF-5A6322F4FD01&displaylang=en> || || The old utility was for Outlook 2007/2003/2002 and I suspect 2010 || needs to be added at the front. || || hth || || || jimmy fallon wrote: ||| ||| Just curious, where is the backup command or download for it? ||| ||| And, why isn't this feature included in Outlook for the last DECADE? ||| It seems to me that it's the single most important feature to have. ||| Anyone? ||| ||| jf || || -- || THE INFORMATION IS PROVIDED "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY || KIND. LD5SZRA DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES, EITHER EXPRESSED OR || IMPLIED, INCLUDING THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND || FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. IN NO EVENT SHALL LD5SZRA || OR ITS ASSOCIATES BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER || INCLUDING DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, LOSS OF || BUSINESS PROFITS OR SPECIAL DAMAGES, EVEN IF LD5SZRA OR ITS || ASSOCIATES HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH || DAMAGES. SOME STATES DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OR || LIMITATION OF LIABILITY FOR CONSEQUENTIAL OR INCIDENTAL || DAMAGES SO THE FOREGOING LIMITATION MAY NOT APPLY. || || Copyright LD5SZRA 2010. || .
From: LVTravel on 6 May 2010 22:35 "jimmy fallon" <jimmyfallon(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:F94E9A93-318F-4C03-8670-4A333890164D(a)microsoft.com... > Answers like the first 2 are the reason some people hate computers. > > The ability to click on "File, backup" should NOT be a luxury, it should > be > standard. > > Sure I can hunt around for my .pst file, but this is 2010, I shouldn't > have > to. I should be able to click on "file, backup" because, if everything in > the > world were to explode tomorrow, I would still be happy if I had my Outlook > file. > > And for the third reply, no, the free downloadable utility (from > microsoft.com) that was available for every single version of Outlook I > have > ever used is NOT available for 2010, and the previous versions do not > work. > > Anyone else have a good answer? Developers or like minded thinkers need > not > apply... > > jf > > > So you are saying that every program should have the ability to back up the file that it creates. You are really wrong on that account. While it may be a useful feature, don't hold your breath for MS to put it into practice. I take responsibility for my backups and it is very simple to create a batch file to run any time you want to back up the closed .pst file. Personally I use a program that I have found called Allway Sync (http://allwaysync.com/) that once set can be used to back up any or all data files or folders on demand. It is free for moderate personal use. In addition to my home server backup on a daily basis, I use this program to synchronize and back up important files after use to removable media or to another computer on the system. That way I always have a current copy of the important data files and have no worry about lost data.
From: jimmy fallon on 6 May 2010 23:10 For me it's a breeze. But I teach HUNDREDS of people how to use computers, for a living. And the people I teach are afraid of their computers. And there are a LOT of them. And they are afraid to ask for help because of answers like that. They feel stupid. Have you ever tried to teach someone who doesn't know as much as you do, how to do your simple 3 steps? I'm guessing your the type that runs out of patience with those folks and calls them morons behind their backs. Me: Mrs. johnson, why don't you just locate your .pst file? Mrs. Johnson: what's a pst file? Me: it's the file that contains all of your Outlook information. Mrs. Johnson: how am I supposed to know that? Me: oh, well all you have to do is call microsoft on the phone and ask them whatever you need to know, and after 15 minutes of talking to someone you can't understand they will tell you to just copy and paste your .pst file after locating it in the C:\Users\Jimmy\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Outlook directory Mrs. johnson: what's a directory? It's funny you guys think these people are idiots, and I know who the idiot really is. The one who decided that there should not be a "File, Backup" command in Outlook 2010. jf "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote: > The only backup I have ever needed was a simple three step process. > > 1. Locate your .pst file > 2. Copy > 3. Paste in your favorite location. > > How hard can it be? > > -- > Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] > > Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. > ALWAYS post your Outlook version. > How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375 > > > After furious head scratching, jimmy fallon asked: > > | Answers like the first 2 are the reason some people hate computers. > | > | The ability to click on "File, backup" should NOT be a luxury, it > | should be standard. > | > | Sure I can hunt around for my .pst file, but this is 2010, I > | shouldn't have to. I should be able to click on "file, backup" > | because, if everything in the world were to explode tomorrow, I would > | still be happy if I had my Outlook file. > | > | And for the third reply, no, the free downloadable utility (from > | microsoft.com) that was available for every single version of Outlook > | I have ever used is NOT available for 2010, and the previous versions > | do not work. > | > | Anyone else have a good answer? Developers or like minded thinkers > | need not apply... > | > | jf > | > | > | > | "LD5SZRA" wrote: > | > || > || For Outlook 2010 the utility hasn't been released/updated yet but > || I suspect the old utility (link below) might work but I haven't > || tried it yet as my current system hasn't got Office 2010: > || > || > <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=8B081F3A-B7D0-4B16-B8AF-5A6322F4FD01&displaylang=en> > || > || The old utility was for Outlook 2007/2003/2002 and I suspect 2010 > || needs to be added at the front. > || > || hth > || > || > || jimmy fallon wrote: > ||| > ||| Just curious, where is the backup command or download for it? > ||| > ||| And, why isn't this feature included in Outlook for the last DECADE? > ||| It seems to me that it's the single most important feature to have. > ||| Anyone? > ||| > ||| jf > || > || -- > || THE INFORMATION IS PROVIDED "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY > || KIND. LD5SZRA DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES, EITHER EXPRESSED OR > || IMPLIED, INCLUDING THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND > || FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. IN NO EVENT SHALL LD5SZRA > || OR ITS ASSOCIATES BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER > || INCLUDING DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, LOSS OF > || BUSINESS PROFITS OR SPECIAL DAMAGES, EVEN IF LD5SZRA OR ITS > || ASSOCIATES HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH > || DAMAGES. SOME STATES DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OR > || LIMITATION OF LIABILITY FOR CONSEQUENTIAL OR INCIDENTAL > || DAMAGES SO THE FOREGOING LIMITATION MAY NOT APPLY. > || > || Copyright LD5SZRA 2010. > || . > > > . >
From: jimmy fallon on 6 May 2010 23:26 You all are truly living in outer space. Of course there should be a backup command for Outlook, just like there is for Quicken, Quickbooks, and every database known to man kind that I know of. Except of course, Outlook 2010. I bet you miss Ms-dos. Do me a favor, teach your mom how to create a batch file, and see how much fun you have doing that. And after she completely gives up on that idea and goes out to buy an IPAD, because someone told her it was easier to use, blame yourself. She doesn't know she doesn't need an Ipad, she just wanted whatever she does with the computer to be easier to do, and the fact that someone said it was easier was all she needed to hear. And clicking on FILE, BACKUP is a hell of a lot easier than creating a batch file, or navigating to some ridiculously hidden directory to find a .pst file to copy and paste (how do I copy and paste? asks mom...) ONLY to find out that it is being locked by some process like instant messenger or the plugged in Windows phone. jf "LVTravel" wrote: > > > "jimmy fallon" <jimmyfallon(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:F94E9A93-318F-4C03-8670-4A333890164D(a)microsoft.com... > > Answers like the first 2 are the reason some people hate computers. > > > > The ability to click on "File, backup" should NOT be a luxury, it should > > be > > standard. > > > > Sure I can hunt around for my .pst file, but this is 2010, I shouldn't > > have > > to. I should be able to click on "file, backup" because, if everything in > > the > > world were to explode tomorrow, I would still be happy if I had my Outlook > > file. > > > > And for the third reply, no, the free downloadable utility (from > > microsoft.com) that was available for every single version of Outlook I > > have > > ever used is NOT available for 2010, and the previous versions do not > > work. > > > > Anyone else have a good answer? Developers or like minded thinkers need > > not > > apply... > > > > jf > > > > > > > So you are saying that every program should have the ability to back up the > file that it creates. You are really wrong on that account. While it may > be a useful feature, don't hold your breath for MS to put it into practice. > > I take responsibility for my backups and it is very simple to create a batch > file to run any time you want to back up the closed .pst file. Personally I > use a program that I have found called Allway Sync (http://allwaysync.com/) > that once set can be used to back up any or all data files or folders on > demand. It is free for moderate personal use. In addition to my home server > backup on a daily basis, I use this program to synchronize and back up > important files after use to removable media or to another computer on the > system. That way I always have a current copy of the important data files > and have no worry about lost data. > > . >
From: Kevryl on 7 May 2010 00:54
Jimmy, I can't agree with you more! Backing up is probably THE most emphasized point that any computer teacher worth his salt teaches newbies, and yet, in Outlook Microsoft treats it as a function for the geeks to fiddle with! So far, the people replying to you just aren't seeing the point. With all the advertising guff like, "I said I wanted it simpler, and now it is" and "now I'm a computer goddess" and so forth, Microsoft can't even include "Backup" and "Restore" buttons or menu options on Outlook! To quote someone from earlier, "How simple can that be?" Its simple enough that, as you have pointed out, Quicken and a host of other DB producers manage it. It really does seem like just bloody-mindedness that Microsoft digs its heels in and determines for everyone - experts, Mums, Dads, Newbies - everyone - that what they want is ..."unnecessary". A couple have even talked about "responsibility" for backing up, as if that mitigates the absence of a straight forward backup feature! Surely that just emphasizes the need for it to be made an easy function that ensures regular backup? Sheeeesh! "jimmy fallon" wrote: > You all are truly living in outer space. Of course there should be a backup > command for Outlook, just like there is for Quicken, Quickbooks, and every > database known to man kind that I know of. Except of course, Outlook 2010. > > I bet you miss Ms-dos. Do me a favor, teach your mom how to create a batch > file, and see how much fun you have doing that. And after she completely > gives up on that idea and goes out to buy an IPAD, because someone told her > it was easier to use, blame yourself. She doesn't know she doesn't need an > Ipad, she just wanted whatever she does with the computer to be easier to do, > and the fact that someone said it was easier was all she needed to hear. > > And clicking on FILE, BACKUP is a hell of a lot easier than creating a batch > file, or navigating to some ridiculously hidden directory to find a .pst file > to copy and paste (how do I copy and paste? asks mom...) ONLY to find out > that it is being locked by some process like instant messenger or the plugged > in Windows phone. > > jf > > > > > "LVTravel" wrote: > > > > > > > "jimmy fallon" <jimmyfallon(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > news:F94E9A93-318F-4C03-8670-4A333890164D(a)microsoft.com... > > > Answers like the first 2 are the reason some people hate computers. > > > > > > The ability to click on "File, backup" should NOT be a luxury, it should > > > be > > > standard. > > > > > > Sure I can hunt around for my .pst file, but this is 2010, I shouldn't > > > have > > > to. I should be able to click on "file, backup" because, if everything in > > > the > > > world were to explode tomorrow, I would still be happy if I had my Outlook > > > file. > > > > > > And for the third reply, no, the free downloadable utility (from > > > microsoft.com) that was available for every single version of Outlook I > > > have > > > ever used is NOT available for 2010, and the previous versions do not > > > work. > > > > > > Anyone else have a good answer? Developers or like minded thinkers need > > > not > > > apply... > > > > > > jf > > > > > > > > > > > So you are saying that every program should have the ability to back up the > > file that it creates. You are really wrong on that account. While it may > > be a useful feature, don't hold your breath for MS to put it into practice. > > > > I take responsibility for my backups and it is very simple to create a batch > > file to run any time you want to back up the closed .pst file. Personally I > > use a program that I have found called Allway Sync (http://allwaysync.com/) > > that once set can be used to back up any or all data files or folders on > > demand. It is free for moderate personal use. In addition to my home server > > backup on a daily basis, I use this program to synchronize and back up > > important files after use to removable media or to another computer on the > > system. That way I always have a current copy of the important data files > > and have no worry about lost data. > > > > . > > |