Where is the backup utility for Outlook 2010?
in [Microsoft Office]
|
From: Kevryl on 8 May 2010 03:14 .."The majority of...". "Live with it". Gordon, to be honest you sound like a Microsoft employee"! You can rationalise these things all you like. Like any other business, it isn't Microsoft's business to tell the customer what it wants, but to find out what the customer wants and supply it. That's simply principles of good business. But then, Microsoft isn't like "any other company" is it? So the majority of Outlook users are in the corporate sector, eh? You could well be right and that may only leave a cuppla hundred million who use it in small business offices or for personal use, and geez, they have probably only paid a mere $300 or $400 each for Office 2007. So why bother, when you're as big as Microsoft, putting in a few man-hours in programming just to cater for only a mere cuppla-hundred million, eh (nod-nod, wink-wink say no more)?. "...and the GAL etc etc are all backed up daily from the server" No need for THAT sort of talk in here. *LOL* Sorry... but we gotta loosen up just a little here. > > "jimmy fallon" <jimmyfallon(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:423E3A90-8536-4C35-BDBF-437F92E06E26(a)microsoft.com... > > You all are truly living in outer space. Of course there should be a > > backup > > command for Outlook, > > Why? As I said the VAST majority of Outlook usage occurs in a CORPORATE > environment, using Exchange Server where the mailboxes and the GAL etc etc > are all backed up daily from the server. > Does that scenario apply to Quickbooks? To Quicken? No it doesn't. Small > business accounting packages tend to be run on stand-alone machines without > server backup functions. THAT'S why those types of applications DO have a > backup function and Outlook doesn't. > Live with it. > > . >
From: Gordon on 8 May 2010 06:22 "Kevryl" <Kevryl(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:BB4E78C3-9356-4B72-AB7C-A1E58DC7B4AE(a)microsoft.com... > ."The majority of...". "Live with it". > Gordon, to be honest you sound like a Microsoft employee"! Nope - just a retired Accountant. > > You can rationalise these things all you like. Like any other business, it > isn't Microsoft's business to tell the customer what it wants, but to find > out what the customer wants and supply it. But ONLY if it's economically worthwhile. If for example the ratio of Exchange seats to personal is something like 2000:1 then it's probably NOT economically worthwhile to do so. Just because a few private users are making a noise about it doesn't mean that it is economically worthwhile to do so.
From: Gordon on 8 May 2010 06:24 "Kevryl" <Kevryl(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:BB4E78C3-9356-4B72-AB7C-A1E58DC7B4AE(a)microsoft.com... > > You can rationalise these things all you like. Like any other business, it > isn't Microsoft's business to tell the customer what it wants, but to find > out what the customer wants and supply it. That's simply principles of > good > business. But then, Microsoft isn't like "any other company" is it? To add to my reply - if Outlook had a built-in backup mechanism you would then have to add in a function to allow IT depts to DISABLE it for the millions of corporate users...many companies disable the use of pst files.
From: Steve Rindsberg on 8 May 2010 12:48 > Steve, finding the location of the .pst file is easy if you are using > Outlook 2007 or 2010 by clicking on File, Data File Management. In the > window that opens you will see Outlook or Outlook.pst in the Personal Folder > section and it will tell you exactly where the Outlook file is secured. Now > as Windows won't normally allow you to copy an open file, and Outlook.pst is > always open when Outlook is running, you can not back it up or copy it yet. > Note the location and then copy the file after closing Outlook. Yep, *I* know all of that. And have even worked out how to make various versions of Outlook put the PST where *I* want it (talk about a struggle that should've been a two minute proposition and took hours). But try explaining all of that to a newbie, when a simple Save As menu item would have obviated the need. > Outlook also has an export function lower down in the file menu. It can > export many different types of files for import into other programs or even > creating a file for importing into Outlook. But none of the options allow the obvious: Export all of my stuff to a different PST file so that nothing's lost. > The save as function is for saving only specific parts of the Outlook data > such as a calendar object or a note object, not the entire file. OK, thanks. That makes it make a bit more sense. But again, why not the entire file as an option?
From: Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] on 9 May 2010 15:30
No, I don't treat novices like morons - but by your response, you apparently hold them in very low esteem and underestimate their ability to learn. If it is that hard, then the lack is in the teacher, not the student. How hard can it be to tell people to turn on hidden files and folders in Windows Search? And not just for Outlook files either. Seems your nit is poorly picked. -- Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. ALWAYS post your Outlook version. How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375 After furious head scratching, jimmy fallon asked: | For me it's a breeze. But I teach HUNDREDS of people how to use | computers, for a living. And the people I teach are afraid of their | computers. And there are a LOT of them. And they are afraid to ask | for help because of answers like that. They feel stupid. | Have you ever tried to teach someone who doesn't know as much as you | do, how to do your simple 3 steps? I'm guessing your the type that | runs out of patience with those folks and calls them morons behind | their backs. | | Me: Mrs. johnson, why don't you just locate your .pst file? | Mrs. Johnson: what's a pst file? | Me: it's the file that contains all of your Outlook information. | Mrs. Johnson: how am I supposed to know that? | Me: oh, well all you have to do is call microsoft on the phone and | ask them whatever you need to know, and after 15 minutes of talking | to someone you can't understand they will tell you to just copy and | paste your .pst file after locating it in the | C:\Users\Jimmy\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Outlook directory | Mrs. johnson: what's a directory? | | It's funny you guys think these people are idiots, and I know who the | idiot really is. The one who decided that there should not be a | "File, Backup" command in Outlook 2010. | | jf | | | | "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote: | || The only backup I have ever needed was a simple three step process. || || 1. Locate your .pst file || 2. Copy || 3. Paste in your favorite location. || || How hard can it be? || || -- || Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] || || Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. || ALWAYS post your Outlook version. || How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375 || || || After furious head scratching, jimmy fallon asked: || ||| Answers like the first 2 are the reason some people hate computers. ||| ||| The ability to click on "File, backup" should NOT be a luxury, it ||| should be standard. ||| ||| Sure I can hunt around for my .pst file, but this is 2010, I ||| shouldn't have to. I should be able to click on "file, backup" ||| because, if everything in the world were to explode tomorrow, I ||| would still be happy if I had my Outlook file. ||| ||| And for the third reply, no, the free downloadable utility (from ||| microsoft.com) that was available for every single version of ||| Outlook I have ever used is NOT available for 2010, and the ||| previous versions do not work. ||| ||| Anyone else have a good answer? Developers or like minded thinkers ||| need not apply... ||| ||| jf ||| ||| ||| ||| "LD5SZRA" wrote: ||| |||| |||| For Outlook 2010 the utility hasn't been released/updated yet but |||| I suspect the old utility (link below) might work but I haven't |||| tried it yet as my current system hasn't got Office 2010: |||| |||| || <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=8B081F3A-B7D0-4B16-B8AF-5A6322F4FD01&displaylang=en> |||| |||| The old utility was for Outlook 2007/2003/2002 and I suspect 2010 |||| needs to be added at the front. |||| |||| hth |||| |||| |||| jimmy fallon wrote: ||||| ||||| Just curious, where is the backup command or download for it? ||||| ||||| And, why isn't this feature included in Outlook for the last ||||| DECADE? It seems to me that it's the single most important ||||| feature to have. Anyone? ||||| ||||| jf |||| |||| -- |||| THE INFORMATION IS PROVIDED "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY |||| KIND. LD5SZRA DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES, EITHER EXPRESSED OR |||| IMPLIED, INCLUDING THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND |||| FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. IN NO EVENT SHALL LD5SZRA |||| OR ITS ASSOCIATES BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER |||| INCLUDING DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, LOSS OF |||| BUSINESS PROFITS OR SPECIAL DAMAGES, EVEN IF LD5SZRA OR ITS |||| ASSOCIATES HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH |||| DAMAGES. SOME STATES DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OR |||| LIMITATION OF LIABILITY FOR CONSEQUENTIAL OR INCIDENTAL |||| DAMAGES SO THE FOREGOING LIMITATION MAY NOT APPLY. |||| |||| Copyright LD5SZRA 2010. |||| . || || || . |