From: Tom Willett on

"jimmy fallon" <jimmyfallon(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F2CF0312-5C93-4271-8EF9-87F8774FAF13(a)microsoft.com...
: For me it's a breeze. But I teach HUNDREDS of people how to use computers,
: for a living. And the people I teach are afraid of their computers. And
there
: are a LOT of them. And they are afraid to ask for help because of answers
: like that. They feel stupid.

Then you are a lousy teacher.


From: Steve Rindsberg on
In article <utrIl#d7KHA.5808(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, Bob I wrote:
> Just because it isn't accomplished using the method you want, doesn't
> mean it isn't happening.
>
> Please read the following
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/features/backup-and-restore.aspx

But is it smart enough to find your Outlook PST or do you once again need to know
where Outlook has squirreled it away?

To say nothing of how you find a *.PST file when Windows defaults to *hiding* the
.PST extension from you and in some versions, at least, won't even cough it up
during a search for *.PST when the extension's hidden?

I have to agree with Jimmy. I've been using computers happily enough since the
early 80s. I've written software for most of that time, either for my own use and
commercially and can navigate the file system in Windows, MSDOS, Mac and *nix more
or less proficiently. I've just begun using Outlook in the last few months and
though its great in many respects, I've found it to be the most user-hostile app
I've ever done battle with when it comes to backing up and moving its files
around, to say nothing of getting it to put the fool things where *I* want them to
go today, not where it thinks I need to put them.

It really does want a Backup or at the very least, a simple File, Save As command.

Yes, there's one of the latter on the menu. It lights up and grays out according
to no pattern that I've yet discerned. I'm sure this will all be revealed in time
too. But why should it not be simple?



From: Zaidy036 on
In article <c27e39a9-16e7-4ccf-b24d-98475f65557b(a)i10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
Kateri(a)msn.com says...
>
> On May 6, 2:10�pm, jimmy fallon
> <jimmyfal...(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> > Just curious, where is the backup command or download for it?
> >
> > And, why isn't this feature included in Outlook for the last DECADE?
> > It seems to me that it's the single most important feature to have.
> > Anyone?
> >
> > jf
>
> The old MS-distributed Outlook backup utility does not work with
> Outlook 2010. It installs OK and then shows properly in the add-in
> section of the ribbon; however, the backup does not initiate as
> specified (date and time). I tried to get it to work for a long time.
>
> I've setup a workaround using a batch file--
>
> "copy C:\users\katherine\appdata\local\microsoft\outlook\outlook.pst G:
> \MSObackup /D /Y" It copies the outlook.pst file to a special folder
> on another partition. The batch file has been setup to run every
> morning at 10:00am (whether computer is in sleep mode ot not) using
> the Win 7 Task Scheduler. End result is identical to the old Outlook
> Backup utility.
>
> LaModiste

For a free backup program to any media look at Karen's Replicator:
http://www.karenware.com/powertools/ptreplicator.asp

For a free fast search program look at Everything:
http://www.voidtools.com/

Use Everything to find the file(s) to backup and the Replicator to do the job.

Replicator may be run manually or on a set schedule.

From: curlysir on


"jimmy fallon" wrote:

> Just curious, where is the backup command or download for it?
>
> And, why isn't this feature included in Outlook for the last DECADE?
> It seems to me that it's the single most important feature to have.
> Anyone?
>
> jf

I agree 100% with you. I have the backup set to automatically backup daily.
If this feature is not available I will not install Outlook 2010 at this
time.

Yes I know where the PST file is located and could back up manually but why
should I have too!!!
From: LVTravel on


"Steve Rindsberg" <abuse(a)localhost.com> wrote in message
news:VA.00005918.1759f193(a)localhost.com...
> In article <utrIl#d7KHA.5808(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, Bob I wrote:
>> Just because it isn't accomplished using the method you want, doesn't
>> mean it isn't happening.
>>
>> Please read the following
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/features/backup-and-restore.aspx
>
> But is it smart enough to find your Outlook PST or do you once again need
> to know
> where Outlook has squirreled it away?
>
> To say nothing of how you find a *.PST file when Windows defaults to
> *hiding* the
> PST extension from you and in some versions, at least, won't even cough it
> up
> during a search for *.PST when the extension's hidden?
>
> I have to agree with Jimmy. I've been using computers happily enough
> since the
> early 80s. I've written software for most of that time, either for my own
> use and
> commercially and can navigate the file system in Windows, MSDOS, Mac and
> *nix more
> or less proficiently. I've just begun using Outlook in the last few
> months and
> though its great in many respects, I've found it to be the most
> user-hostile app
> I've ever done battle with when it comes to backing up and moving its
> files
> around, to say nothing of getting it to put the fool things where *I* want
> them to
> go today, not where it thinks I need to put them.
>
> It really does want a Backup or at the very least, a simple File, Save As
> command.
>
> Yes, there's one of the latter on the menu. It lights up and grays out
> according
> to no pattern that I've yet discerned. I'm sure this will all be revealed
> in time
> too. But why should it not be simple?
>
>
>

Steve, finding the location of the .pst file is easy if you are using
Outlook 2007 or 2010 by clicking on File, Data File Management. In the
window that opens you will see Outlook or Outlook.pst in the Personal Folder
section and it will tell you exactly where the Outlook file is secured. Now
as Windows won't normally allow you to copy an open file, and Outlook.pst is
always open when Outlook is running, you can not back it up or copy it yet.
Note the location and then copy the file after closing Outlook.

Outlook also has an export function lower down in the file menu. It can
export many different types of files for import into other programs or even
creating a file for importing into Outlook.

The save as function is for saving only specific parts of the Outlook data
such as a calendar object or a note object, not the entire file.