Why against Stern-Gerlach experiment photons are said to be spin 1?
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From: Igor on 24 Nov 2009 16:15 On Nov 24, 3:43 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Nov 23, 5:03 pm, Igor <thoov...(a)excite.com> wrote: > > > On Nov 19, 4:30 pm, Jarek Duda <duda...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I never said it was. I said you needed both in order to have a > > > > magnetic dipole moment. > > > > So what about neutrino? > > > According to the Standard Model, the neutrino is a fundamental > > chargeless particle, so it should not have a magnetic dipole moment. > > If it ever was discovered that the neutrino has a finite magnetic > > dipole moment, it would be back to the drawing board. > > ------------- > and you Igor forgot to tell us > that a very long time > > the neutrino was considered massless (as your brain) > but only much later the glassless -- > > became massive!! > > the fact that some mass is hard to detect > doe snot mean it doe snot exist > it is just out fault not to be able to find it > but there is a new golden rule in physics > that should be a light tower: > > NO MASS - NO REAL PHYSICS !! > one day > even a block head like you will get it > (or may be even discover it himself ?? (:-) > and only while it wil be discovered by a dumb mathematician like you > (only you !!).. only then > you will come out trumpeting it out (:-) > > Y.Porat > ------------------------------------------- I think all that doe snot is clogging up the logical receptors in your brain.
From: Jarek Duda on 24 Nov 2009 17:02 On Nov 24, 10:09 pm, Igor <thoov...(a)excite.com> wrote: > On Nov 23, 10:16 am, Jarek Duda <duda...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > According to the Standard Model, the neutrino is a fundamental > > > chargeless particle, so it should not have a magnetic dipole moment. > > > If it ever was discovered that the neutrino has a finite magnetic > > > dipole moment, it would be back to the drawing board. > > > I've looked at a few papers and they were rather saying something > > different...http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-ph/0601113 > > If you notice, that paper doesn't actually say that the neutrino has a > magnetic moment. It only provides a theoretical upper bound based on > the most current observations. It's a lot like similar papers on the > upper limit on photon mass. What do You mean? In the paper I've linked there are both upper and lower bounds ...
From: BURT on 24 Nov 2009 18:05 On Nov 24, 1:15 pm, Igor <thoov...(a)excite.com> wrote: > On Nov 24, 3:43 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Nov 23, 5:03 pm, Igor <thoov...(a)excite.com> wrote: > > > > On Nov 19, 4:30 pm, Jarek Duda <duda...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > I never said it was. I said you needed both in order to have a > > > > > magnetic dipole moment. > > > > > So what about neutrino? > > > > According to the Standard Model, the neutrino is a fundamental > > > chargeless particle, so it should not have a magnetic dipole moment. > > > If it ever was discovered that the neutrino has a finite magnetic > > > dipole moment, it would be back to the drawing board. > > > ------------- > > and you Igor forgot to tell us > > that a very long time > > > the neutrino was considered massless (as your brain) > > but only much later the glassless -- > > > became massive!! > > > the fact that some mass is hard to detect > > doe snot mean it doe snot exist > > it is just out fault not to be able to find it > > but there is a new golden rule in physics > > that should be a light tower: > > > NO MASS - NO REAL PHYSICS !! > > one day > > even a block head like you will get it > > (or may be even discover it himself ?? (:-) > > and only while it wil be discovered by a dumb mathematician like you > > (only you !!).. only then > > you will come out trumpeting it out (:-) > > > Y.Porat > > ------------------------------------------- > > I think all that doe snot is clogging up the logical receptors in your > brain.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Spin is a mistake. Rotation is more appropriate usage. Spin is when rotation speed changes sizes. The skater pulling in her arms. Spin is in the aether as this. Mitch Raemsch
From: cjcountess on 24 Nov 2009 20:12 Igor You speak to fast, look at the evidence. Planck discovered E=hf, for photons Einstein discovered E=mc^2, for electrons / matter deBroglie discovered E=hf=mc^2, at level of electron, which has -1 charge and that electron is also a wave. This indicates a smooth transition from energy to matter, along the same EM spectrum, which can also be considered the energy/matter spectrum, as well as the electromagnetic spectrum. Bohr discovered that wavelength of electron is equal to circumference of circle, with an angular momentum of a multiple integer of h/2pi. Therefore it follows from this and geometrical evidence that I presented that, (E=mc^2) = (E=mc^circled) and c = (sqrt -1) So yes, accelerate a photon, like letting it fall into a strong enough gravity well, and it should gain enough energy to attain rest mass, and yes -1 charge. We already know that photons gain energy and higher frequency as they inter a gravity field. I am suggesting that, if this gravity field is strong enough, it will produce electrons from those photons. Conrad J Countess
From: Darwin123 on 24 Nov 2009 22:51
On Nov 24, 4:15 pm, Igor <thoov...(a)excite.com> wrote: > On Nov 24, 3:43 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Nov 23, 5:03 pm, Igor <thoov...(a)excite.com> wrote: > > > > On Nov 19, 4:30 pm, Jarek Duda <duda...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > I think all that doe snot is clogging up the logical receptors in your > brain. Doe snot? You mean "Does Not"? Or "Doh! Nut!" |