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From: cjcountess on 28 Nov 2009 11:50 Igor In your attempts to sound intelligent you sound so dumb? I dont know, maybe thats not the right word. So what, if this was an ad hoc, model for the hydrogen atom, which was superseded by Schroedinger's wave mechanics and Heisenberg's matrix mechanics, which essentially form the basis for modern quantum theory. Still the Bohr model provided the foundation, and some lasting aspects, as is evident by h/2pi, which includes pi, a circle constant. The Schroedinger's wave mechanics and Heisenberg's matrix mechanics, are somewhat ad hoc too, as they have not solved the quantum gravity, ruining coupling constants, or the renormalization problem, while the model of the wavelength of electron, being equal to circumference of circle, with angular momentum of a multiple integer of h/2pi, coupled with my geometrical interpretation of E=mc^2 does. My theory, which uses Bohr's model as collaboration, brings sqrt-1, out of imaginary real, into the real realm of natural unite, and reveals h/2pi/2, as limit on uncertainty, to actually be the limit on the certainty of the existence of the particle, bringing certainty to the uncertainty principle. And its in part because, you and your colleagues could not see the geometrical reality of Einsteins, E=mc^2, or Bohrs wavelength = circle = multiple integer of h/2pi As to > So yes, accelerate a photon, like letting it fall into a strong enough > gravity well, and it should gain enough energy to attain rest mass, > and yes -1 charge. And all this time, people have been seriously searching for where mass comes from. So it's not the Higgs. It's a photon falling through a gravity well. That's just too stupid for words. Learn some simple basic physics. You might want to start with conservations laws. Isnt that something, all this time, people have been seriously searching for where mass comes from and no, it is not the Higgs it is Rest mass comes from the kinetic energy of energy in circular and or spherical motion just as described in my theory. And as for > We already know that photons gain energy and higher frequency as they > inter a gravity field. I am suggesting that, if this gravity field is > strong enough, it will produce electrons from those photons. That's called the gravitational Doppler effect. And unlike your ridiculous idea, it doesn't violate conservation laws. If their gravitational Doppler effect, doesnt violate conservation laws, than my idea of photons gaining enough energy to attain rest mass, by entering strong enough gravity field, doesnt either, because they are essentially saying the same thing. P.S. But if it does violate "the laws of conservation", as presently written, than they are written wrong, because the theory is correct. Conrad J Countess
From: cjcountess on 28 Nov 2009 14:57 The Evidence is so clear it speaks for itself. I have so many bits of already established and proven evidence, that fits together like pieces of a puzzle, or points connected through a line of logic, so seamlessly, revealing such a clear picture, that matches empirical evidence, that it would be highly improbable, almost impossible that it is not correct. Plancks equation ,Einsteins, deBroglies, Bohrs, Comptons, Swartzchilds, Einstein and Minkowskies and Hiesenburgs equations all support this theory. Also, analogy, logic, mathematics, geometry, statistics also support this. Anyone who cannot see this is either lacking vision or liying to themselves or the public because they are more interested in who is right and gets credit for it, as there is lots of money and prestige involved, than who is right. Just remember this. The more one claims to know, the more one reveals what one does not know or want the public to know, and THE WORLD is WHATCHING. I will put it all on the line and challenge anyone your champion, to a public debate and demonstration. If I am wrong, I will go away, but if I am correct,you will acknowledge it. I am an independent self taught researcher, and did what all the academics with all their education, numbers of team members and expensive equipment could not . Solved the QUANTUM GRAVITY ORIGIN of REST MASS, Problem. Conrad J Countess Electrons ARE "accelerated photons". They are the high end of the EM spectrum, which is not only the electromagnetic, but the energy/ matter spectrum, where (E=hf/c^2) = (E=mc^2), or as deBroglie stated, (E=hf=mc^2). See:http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dsn5q6f_101hgtjv9fb&hl=en This is just some of the evidence, but there is a lot more on my other post that I can employ if necessary Conrad J Countess
From: Salmon Egg on 28 Nov 2009 15:24 In article <4B11844D.7BFFB013(a)hate.spam.net>, Uncle Al <UncleAl0(a)hate.spam.net> wrote: > idiot C'mon Uncle Al. I used to think of you as Cyrano de Bererac with sharper rapiers than a mere "idiot." Bill -- An old man would be better off never having been born.
From: Mark Thorson on 28 Nov 2009 15:39 Salmon Egg wrote: > > In article <4B11844D.7BFFB013(a)hate.spam.net>, > Uncle Al <UncleAl0(a)hate.spam.net> wrote: > > > idiot > > C'mon Uncle Al. I used to think of you as Cyrano de Bererac with sharper > rapiers than a mere "idiot." I'm afraid the OP did not rise to the level which deserved the talents of Uncle Al. If we had a better class of adversaries, we'd see Uncle Al in full flower.
From: cjcountess on 28 Nov 2009 16:34
Hey Al, I knew that would get someone fired up. All I want is for my work to be examined objectively, without the preconceived notions that has you stuck in a rut. Calculate Newtons G to six figures!! Come on man, you're not going to solve quantum gravity, or the origin of mass, with these complex mathematical gymnastics. And while you may demonstrate your mathematical agility, expertise, and extensive knowledge, with this kind of demonstration, you also miss the point by a correspondingly large amount. Simply because the answer is found in the simplicity of the quantum relationship, not the complexity. Namely it is found in the geometrical interpretation of the simple equation E=mc^2. And guess what, it took a simple minded, thoughtfulness to figure this out. Simplicity beat complexity on this one Al, the outside of the box thinker beat the rigidity trained mathematician and physicist on this one Al. I beat you on this one, AL. Let this be a lesson to all who are truly concerned about what is right over who is right and gets credit for it. The answer to some of the most seemingly complex problems may very well indeed be observing the evidence in the simplest manner and let the truth speak for itself. Conrad J. Countess Your new teacher Al, whether you like it or not |