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From: Uncle Al on 28 Nov 2009 19:09 Salmon Egg wrote: > > In article <4B11844D.7BFFB013(a)hate.spam.net>, > Uncle Al <UncleAl0(a)hate.spam.net> wrote: > > > idiot > > C'mon Uncle Al. I used to think of you as Cyrano de Bererac with sharper > rapiers than a mere "idiot." Don't use a thermonuke when a whooppee cushion will suffice. Recycle! Uncle Al, which is to say "CURRENT RESIDENT," received a vital missive from the Irvine Unified School District. Massive renovation of woefully obsolete middle school facilities would be borne upon a deluge of taxpayer wallets. Perhaps a City Councilcritter wanted a new Cadillac SUV Cumshaw with extra bloat. Adjacent residents' brief inconvenience - forty years of construction traffic, smoke by day, fire by night, and window-cracking recorded salsa on weekends commencing at 0600 hrs - was granted a special variance by the City of Irvine. The letter said it was all OK. A thousand or three peripheral residents could complain by letter if it were not OK. Dear Sir: I received IUSD's 24 November "CURRENT RESIDENT" letter bearing $0.44 postage, an envelope, two sheets of paper, and a staple plus labor costs and amortized overhead (cc: 33 congenitally inconsequential poobahs and the "Irvine World News" requiring that second page). IUSD burned my tax money. Send postcards. IUSD is a politicized excrescence. IUSD hemorrhages bureaucratic process and bloated cynosure employment while disgorging product scarcely fit to flip burgers. IUSD prattles equal opportunity and diversity, sparing no taxpayer expense to coddle genetic, somatic, and behavioral garbage. The Severely and Profoundly Gifted are crushed, disseminated amidst bovine confreres, and dissipated. Rather than foster brilliance, IUSD allocates for its suppression. IUSD is a confluence of overwhelming ignorance with overweening arrogance. I am intolerant of those who proudly perpetuate rigorous characterization of the topology and function of cluelessness. "...creating the best possible learning environment for our students..." My expectations for fresh tiger striping, Braille water fountains, and Web-interfaced hydraulic wheelchair lifts with quarterly statistical other-ablement compliance reportage are very high. IUSD process fluid is chiefly Caucasian, Asian, and East Indian. Do something useful with it other than warehousing potential organ donors. Cordially, 1) East Indians are obviously porcine not bovine. Cultural sensitivity matters! 2) USPS adhesive undergoes cryogenic failure, Tg and all that. It was worth sending via the uncancelled stamp from another letter. 3) idiots -- Uncle Al http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/ (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals) http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz4.htm
From: Mark Thorson on 28 Nov 2009 21:17 Uncle Al wrote: > > IUSD process fluid is chiefly Caucasian, Asian, and East Indian. Do > something useful with it other than warehousing potential organ > donors. You're losing your edge in your old age. Time was when you'd give them a devastating reply. > 2) USPS adhesive undergoes cryogenic failure, Tg and all that. It > was worth sending via the uncancelled stamp from another letter. Did you examine it under UV? For reasons that escape me, stamps are often marked with a UV-fluorescent ink. I suppose to catch people who re-use seemingly uncancelled stamps. Now that they've got you on the hook for 15 years in federal prison, maybe you'll be more pliable.
From: Salmon Egg on 28 Nov 2009 21:19 In a snippet from <4B11BBCC.CF043615(a)hate.spam.net>, Uncle Al <UncleAl0(a)hate.spam.net> wrote: > IUSD is a politicized excrescence. IUSD hemorrhages bureaucratic > process and bloated cynosure employment while disgorging product > scarcely fit to flip burgers. IUSD prattles equal opportunity and > diversity, sparing no taxpayer expense to coddle genetic, somatic, and > behavioral garbage. The Severely and Profoundly Gifted are crushed, > disseminated amidst bovine confreres, and dissipated. We have our Uncle Al back! I sure miss the old Al Bundy. Bill -- An old man would be better off never having been born.
From: Igor on 29 Nov 2009 11:22 On Nov 28, 11:50 am, cjcountess <cjcount...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Igor > > In your attempts to sound intelligent you sound so dumb? I dont > know, maybe thats not the right word. > > So what, if this was an ad hoc, model for the hydrogen atom, which > was superseded by > Schroedinger's wave mechanics and Heisenberg's matrix mechanics, > which > essentially form the basis for modern quantum theory. > > Still the Bohr model provided the foundation, and some lasting > aspects, as is evident by h/2pi, which includes pi, a circle > constant. > > The Schroedinger's wave mechanics and Heisenberg's matrix mechanics, > are somewhat ad hoc too, as they have not solved the quantum > gravity, ruining coupling constants, or the renormalization problem, > while the model of the wavelength of electron, being equal to > circumference of circle, with angular momentum of a multiple integer > of h/2pi, coupled with my geometrical interpretation of E=mc^2 > does. > > My theory, which uses Bohr's model as collaboration, brings sqrt-1, > out of imaginary real, into the real realm of natural unite, and > reveals h/2pi/2, as limit on uncertainty, to actually be the limit > on the certainty of the existence of the particle, bringing > certainty to the uncertainty principle. > > And its in part because, you and your colleagues could not see the > geometrical reality of Einsteins, E=mc^2, or Bohrs wavelength = > circle = multiple integer of h/2pi > > As to > > > So yes, accelerate a photon, like letting it fall into a strong enough > > gravity well, and it should gain enough energy to attain rest mass, > > and yes -1 charge. > > And all this time, people have been seriously searching for where > mass > comes from. So it's not the Higgs. It's a photon falling through a > gravity well. That's just too stupid for words. Learn some simple > basic physics. You might want to start with conservations laws. > > Isnt that something, all this time, people have been seriously > searching for where mass > comes from and no, it is not the Higgs it is Rest mass comes from the > kinetic energy of energy in circular and or spherical motion just as > described in my theory. > And as for > > > We already know that photons gain energy and higher frequency as they > > inter a gravity field. I am suggesting that, if this gravity field is > > strong enough, it will produce electrons from those photons. > > That's called the gravitational Doppler effect. And unlike your > ridiculous idea, it doesn't violate conservation laws. > > If their gravitational Doppler effect, doesnt violate conservation > laws, than my idea of photons gaining enough energy to attain rest > mass, by entering strong enough gravity field, doesnt either, because > they are essentially saying the same thing. > > P.S. But if it does violate "the laws of conservation", as presently > written, than they are written wrong, because the theory is correct. > > Conrad J Countess Your response is an incoherent mess. Good luck in your ignorance.
From: cjcountess on 29 Nov 2009 14:03
Planck discovered E=hf, for photons Einstein discovered E=mc^2, for electrons / matter deBroglie discovered E=hf=mc^2, at level of electron, which has -1 charge and that electron is also a wave. This indicates a smooth transition from energy to matter, along the same EM spectrum, which can also be considered the energy/matter spectrum, as well as the electromagnetic spectrum. Bohr discovered that wavelength of electron is equal to circumference of circle, with an angular momentum of a multiple integer of h/2pi. Therefore it follows from this and geometrical evidence that I presented that, (E=mc^2) = (E=mc^circled) and c = (sqrt -1) c^2 or c in linear direction x c in 90 degree angular direction creates a 90 degree arc trajectory, which if constant creates a circle of energy, with an angular momentum = (h/2pi, and wavelength being inversely proportional, = (hx2pi). Furthermore, if the amplitude is constant along the EM spectrum, for single waves, than the wave would make 2 rotations (spin1/2), at 90 degree angle to each other, in order to complete 1 wave cycle, creating a standing spherical wave of angular momentum( h/2pi/2) whose spherical diameter = radius of circle = c = h = sqrt-1 = reduced Compton wavelength = Swartzchild radius. Sense wave cease to propagate at wavelength equal to or smaller than inter granular space of material of medium, this also agrees with Einstein and Minkowskies (c x sqrt-1) and /or (ct x sqrt-1), as measurement of quantum of space-time. Again I say, the way all this evidence fits together so seamlessly, to give emergence to such a clear geometrical picture, cannot be coincidence. It would be statistically very improbable, or perhaps even impossible for this theory not to be correct I am tempted to rest my case as I do know that my evidence is sufficient. I do not particularly enjoy beating up on bitter old washed up fighters like Al. I am not that young myself but at least I discovered something. Al is bitter and angry because I beat him Al you say calculate Newtons G to six SIGNIFIGANT figures. That is really easy, why dont you try, and if you cannot, I will show you. Remember now, it should be as simple and efficient as possible, without leaving anything significant out. This is because, just as with computers and the human mind, efficiency saves storage space, memory space, and speeds up processing time, so dont just try to show off your mathematical agility or you may make yourself continue to look stupid. And on top of that, you seem to have a few stupid followers you you may lead down the wrong path. That is, unless that poster Mark Thorson, was joking. A better class of adversaries!! You got to be joking!! This clown may have you fooled, but I know and he knows, hes about as dumb as they come. Conrad J Countess |