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From: DJW on 22 Mar 2010 11:25 On Mar 22, 1:12 am, demp...(a)actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote: > DJW <d...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > On Mar 21, 6:05 pm, demp...(a)actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote: > > > Lewis <g.kr...(a)gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > > > > In message <jollyroger-25C7E0.11470621032...(a)news.individual.net> > > > > Jolly <jollyro...(a)pobox.com> wrote: > > > > > In article > > > > > <2c370ed1-1943-42e1-b10c-768e5179f...(a)d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > DJW <d...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Have a B & W G-3 300 can I use LeopardAssist to install OS 10.4 Tiger > > > > >> on Cds on a slave hard drive instead of 10.5 Leopard on DVDs? > > > > > > A 300 MHz G3 will be extremely slow. I would say it's probably not worth > > > > > the trouble. > > > > > I have 10.4.11 on a iMac DV (350 or 400Mhz, I forget). It's perfectly > > > > usable. > > > > > I did not think 10.5 could run *at all* on a G3. > > > > It can't. > > > > I tried it on an iMac G3 just for a laugh (400 MHz model, with Firewire, > > > which is officially supported by 10.4). It got stuck early in the boot > > > sequence (with the grey Apple on the screen). It couldn't even boot into > > > single-user mode. > > > > The OP's question is confusing - subject line implies they want to > > > install Leopard, but content refers to installing Tiger. Nothing special > > > will be needed to install the CD edition of Tiger on a B&W G3, as it is > > > an officially supported model for Tiger. > > The computer I am talking about is a 300 MHz B & W G3 > > And because 10.4 will not install on a G3 below 350 MHz! > > I don't know where you got that CPU frequency requirement from. 10.4 has > no such requirement. > > The system requirements for 10.4 are "PowerPC G3 or later, built-in > Firewire, 256 MB of RAM, and 3.0 GB of hard disk space". > > The only place the CPU frequency comes into it is if you are talking > about an iMac G3, where the Firewire port only exists on the 400 MHz and > faster models, so 10.4 cannot be installed on the 350 MHz and slower > iMacs (unless you use a workaround). > > That doesn't apply to the PowerMac G3 (Blue & White), because every B&W > G3 has built-in Firewire. > > > I installed 10.4 on another 400MHz B & W G3 tower with a PCI SCSI card > > in it to an external SCSI hard drive. I then hooked it up to the G-3 B > > & W 300 MHz in question that also has a PCI SCSI card in it. 10.4 work > > fine on the 300MHz B & W G-3. > > Of course. It would just as well if you had booted from the install CD > and installed it on that computer, without involving another one. > > > Now I want to install 10.4 on my internal master IDE hard drive on > > that 300MHz. I need to fake an over clock of the computer so the > > installer will see over 350 MHz > > No, you don't, as the Tiger installer doesn't check the CPU speed > because it is not a system requirement. > > > and then install 10.4 not 10.5. I have not found a Tigerassist application > > so asking if Leoperdassist will let me use 10.4 CD disks instead of 10.5 > > installer disks (DVD?) I hope that clarifies what I want to do. > > I have no idea what LeopardAssist is, but in any case it isn't going to > help, because you don't need any software to assist with installing > Tiger on any B&W G3. > > (Assuming it has sufficient memory and hard drive space, and you have > installation media compatible with its optical drive.) > > You wouldn't be able to directly use a Tiger _DVD_ to install on a 300 > MHz B&W G3 which has a CD-ROM drive (that can't read DVDs). In this case > you would need a workaround such as an externally connected and bootable > DVD drive, or put the DVD into a newer Mac in target mode and boot the > B&W G3 from it, or temporarily move the hard drive to a compatible > computer to install it, or replace the internal CD-ROM drive with a > newer optical drive which can read DVDs. > > If you have the Tiger install CD-ROM set (set of at least four, if I > remember right) then it will be able to boot and install on the 300 MHz > B&W G3, as long as the computer has at least 256 MB of RAM and enough > disk space. > > -- > David Empson > demp...(a)actrix.gen.nz Ok I knew I saw a system requirement for 10.4 above 300Mhz thought it was 350Mhz but is the person who wrote in Wikipedia wrong? Visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_v10.4#System_requirements And check out the system requirements that show 333Mhz?
From: David Empson on 22 Mar 2010 16:29 DJW <ddwr(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Ok I knew I saw a system requirement for 10.4 above 300Mhz thought it > was 350Mhz but is the person who wrote in Wikipedia wrong? > Visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_v10.4#System_requirements > And check out the system requirements that show 333Mhz? Wikipedia is not an official reference and can easily have errors. I've now edited it to remove that misleading piece of information (someone who previously edited it made a mistake). The official reference for 10.4 system requirments (on Apple's web site) is here: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1514 It does not say anything about CPU speed. -- David Empson dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz
From: Bruce Esquibel on 22 Mar 2010 16:51 David Empson <dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz> wrote: > I don't know where you got that CPU frequency requirement from. 10.4 has > no such requirement. > The system requirements for 10.4 are "PowerPC G3 or later, built-in > Firewire, 256 MB of RAM, and 3.0 GB of hard disk space". > The only place the CPU frequency comes into it is if you are talking > about an iMac G3, where the Firewire port only exists on the 400 MHz and > faster models, so 10.4 cannot be installed on the 350 MHz and slower > iMacs (unless you use a workaround). > That doesn't apply to the PowerMac G3 (Blue & White), because every B&W > G3 has built-in Firewire. I don't think that statement is true. I'm pretty sure 10.4 does not install on a machine like his (G3/300 B&W) because it doesn't have usb let alone firewire. There is that pre-boot thing you can use but even with the cd-rom version of 10.4, it'll just give that message "osx cannot be installed on this machine" without it. It will run, speed isn't terrible but I'm sure without the boot patch you can't install it from the apple cd/dvd. -bruce bje(a)ripco.com
From: David Empson on 22 Mar 2010 19:18 Bruce Esquibel <bje(a)ripco.com> wrote: > David Empson <dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz> wrote: > > > I don't know where you got that CPU frequency requirement from. 10.4 has > > no such requirement. > > > The system requirements for 10.4 are "PowerPC G3 or later, built-in > > Firewire, 256 MB of RAM, and 3.0 GB of hard disk space". > > > The only place the CPU frequency comes into it is if you are talking > > about an iMac G3, where the Firewire port only exists on the 400 MHz and > > faster models, so 10.4 cannot be installed on the 350 MHz and slower > > iMacs (unless you use a workaround). > > > That doesn't apply to the PowerMac G3 (Blue & White), because every B&W > > G3 has built-in Firewire. > > I don't think that statement is true. > > I'm pretty sure 10.4 does not install on a machine like his (G3/300 B&W) > because it doesn't have usb let alone firewire. Yes it does. USB was introduced with the iMac in mid 1998, and was included in every subsequent Mac (apart from the late 1998 update to the PowerBook G3 "Wallstreet", also known as "PDQ"). The B&W G3 was introduced in January 1999, and was the first PowerMac model to include USB, as well as the first Mac to include Firewire. Every B&W G3 model has the same ports. The earlier "beige" PowerMac G3 models (1997 to 1998) don't have either built-in USB or Firewire. The only thing that is special about the 300 MHz B&W G3 is that it was the cheapest model, and probably came a CD-ROM drive instead of a DVD-ROM or DVD-RAM drive. That particular model was only available for three months, as there was a 50 MHz speed bump in April 1999. -- David Empson dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz
From: nospam on 23 Mar 2010 14:46
In article <hob230$kvh$1(a)remote5bge0.ripco.com>, Bruce Esquibel <bje(a)ripco.com> wrote: > I don't even remember what a B&W G3 is now, I thought the OP was talking > about the beige model. b&w means blue & white, thus it's not a beige g3. |