From: N4469P on
On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 02:33:04 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

> The "company" hides behind a private
> domain registration. Why would a company that sells commercialware need to
> hide

Theyr scared shitless u'll drop by with ur ugly pus n all.
From: mike on
Bear Bottoms wrote:
> mike <spamme0(a)go.com> wrote in news:hhnmc8$v6m$1(a)news.eternal-
> september.org:
>
>> Yrrah wrote:
>>> mike <spamme0(a)go.com>:
>>>
>>>> But there's still the issue of the initial install. It calls home to
>>>> validate itself. If you block that call, it says something like
>>>> "...expired" and refuses to run.
>>> I would never proceed with the install in that case.
>> Well, it's getting to be that most free versions of commercial programs
>> call home during install. You really don't have a choice.
>> I always test new software on a throwaway cloned system. At least
>> that protects against symptoms that show up immeidately.
>>>> What's the program that monitors registry entries and files
>>>> created during an install?
>>> The one I have been using for ages is not freeware.
>>>
>>> Do you have RevoUninstaller?
>>> http://www.revouninstaller.com/revo_uninstaller_free_download.html
>> According to the first page, the free version doesn't support what's
>> needed here.
>>
>>> You may want to have a look at ZSoft Uninstaller. I don't use it
>>> though, so I can't recommend it.
>>> http://www.zsoft.dk/index/software_details/4
>> Zsoft seems to do what's required. I guess I'll know next week when
>> I try to reinstall after the expiration date.
>>
>> Thanks, mike
>>> Yrrah
>>>
> You may want to use RegFromApp also to see if changes are made to the
> registry when you run the program. ZSoft only registers changes made when
> you install the program.
>
> http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/reg_file_from_application.html
>
Thanks, I'll try that too.
What I did with zsoft was to run it,
take a before snapshot
install the program,
run the program
uninstall the program
take an after snapshot
to see what was left behind to prevent reinstallation.
This was with the mcafee uninstaller. A huge amount of stuff
was left over. I deleted what I thought might be relevant with
no success. Doesn't matter tho. The uninstaller is something
you really need once and can restore your system when you're done.
From: Richard Steinfeld on
-ALBASANI- VanguardLH wrote:
> The Old Bloke wrote:
>
>> http://www.winxdvd.com/giveaway/dvd-ripper-01.htm
>>
>> No need to provide an email address. I haven't tried the software.
>
> This is the same ploy as the GiveAwayOfTheDay (GOTD) site. Both use a
> wrapper that will refuse to install the software after the day of the
> giveaway.

There are tricks to get around the limitation. I've done it. It's
not worth it. The wrapper is an installed routine in and of
itself: it's more crud in your registry.

So, you think you've been clever and gotten yourself some free
software. You get dependent on it, store a lot of data in the
program's proprietary format.

And then, a virus wipes your registry. You've got to rebuild your
system and then: GOTCHA! You gotta buy the program damn fast in
order to get at your data. Maybe the publisher is out-of-business.

Sucka: you've been had!

True freeware is mo betta.

Richard
From: Richard Steinfeld on
Yrrah wr
> Do you have RevoUninstaller?
> http://www.revouninstaller.com/revo_uninstaller_free_download.html
> You may want to have a look at ZSoft Uninstaller. I don't use it
> though, so I can't recommend it.
> http://www.zsoft.dk/index/software_details/4
>

I can. They're both good.

Richard
From: VanguardLH on
Richard Steinfeld wrote:

> -ALBASANI- VanguardLH wrote:
>> The Old Bloke wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.winxdvd.com/giveaway/dvd-ripper-01.htm
>>>
>>> No need to provide an email address. I haven't tried the software.
>>
>> This is the same ploy as the GiveAwayOfTheDay (GOTD) site. Both use a
>> wrapper that will refuse to install the software after the day of the
>> giveaway.
>
> There are tricks to get around the limitation. I've done it. It's
> not worth it. The wrapper is an installed routine in and of
> itself: it's more crud in your registry.
>
> So, you think you've been clever and gotten yourself some free
> software. You get dependent on it, store a lot of data in the
> program's proprietary format.
>
> And then, a virus wipes your registry. You've got to rebuild your
> system and then: GOTCHA! You gotta buy the program damn fast in
> order to get at your data. Maybe the publisher is out-of-business.
>
> Sucka: you've been had!
>
> True freeware is mo betta.
>
> Richard

As I noted in my next post in that subthread (in response to Old Bloke), the
product would install after the giveaway day had expired. However, it still
wanted to phone-home to "register" itself. I didn't bother to sniff the
packets to see what information was getting sent out.

I still decided there were too many red flags to bother trialing or keeping
this software.
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