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From: Christopher A. Lee on 16 Jan 2010 01:07 On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:49:36 -0800 (PST), species8350 <not_here.5.species8350(a)xoxy.net> wrote: >On Jan 15, 7:17�pm, Char Jackson <n...(a)none.invalid> wrote: >> On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 04:01:34 -0800 (PST), species8350 >> >> <not_here.5.species8...(a)xoxy.net> wrote: >> >Another point. >> >> >I assume that I don't logout of the router. When I have finished a >> >session, I assume that I just close the browser, and when ready switch >> >off the pc >> >> Once the router is configured, you won't be logging into it unless or >> until you need to make an additional configuration change. On a daily >> basis, you'll mostly just leave it alone. > >Chris, You have been asking general questions and we have been giving general answers leaving you to work out the specifics for your situation, which isn't working. So we need more detail. What is the complete setup of devices on your local network? Not just yours but his as well. Will there be any local traffic between devices connected to the router? File sharing? Networked printing? Or will it all be to and from the Internet? If so the limiting factor will probably be the throughput of the DSL connection, not the wireless network. >I have a printer connected to my pc. How is it connected? If it's on a USB port it isn't an issue unless the other guy prints to it via your PC. Which is a Windows feature that can be turned on or off. For security purposes, turn it off. If it's connected to the router then remove it and connect it to a USB port. If it's one of the latest wireless printers I have no experience of these but I would expect them to use up bandwidth because they use the same wireless adapter on your PC. I would guess they have some kind of encryption to make sure your stuff doesn't appear on somebody else's printer or vice versa Also for security purposes turn off file sharing which is another Windows feature. >I now understand that I will be using the same channel as the bloke >who shares the router.. > >Is there any way that I can limit the obvious radio interference that >I will get because we are sharing the same bell curve? That's not so much interference as contention. It's just devices sharing the same channel. Only one can talk at a time. It's the same situation as using your laptop at Starbucks. If it's his router you haven't any control over how many devices he has connected to it. The amount of concurrent access to all devices including his and yours makes a difference to the speed you will get out of the wireless link. If all you are both doing is connecting one computer to the outside world then you probably won't notice it. But even if you do, it's his internet connection you're using for free, and his router. You're stuck with how he has the encryption set up, what its pass key is, etc. You might suggest he uses the strongest possible with a phrase you and he can remember but that's all you can do - ultimately it's up to him. In fact the limiting factor will probably be the DSL connection not the wireless because that's the slowest link in the chain. You'll find that those of us with fast wireless use it for things like shared networked disk storage which need the speed. >If not, will it cause much of a problem? It depends on the traffic. If you're both doing downloads at the same time, either files, large web pages, high volume newsgroups etc, they will slow down because you can only get so much bandwidth out of a link. Bit torrent downloads can slow everything down. >On a related point. If I get a weak signal does this affect my speed >of connectivity? Below a certain signal strength there will be more retries. Because the level of the radio static doesn't change. >Would it affect downloading times? Yes. >If not, what are the disadvantages of a weak signal? > >Thanks for all the advice. > >Much appreciated. > >Best wishes. > >S
From: species8350 on 16 Jan 2010 07:46 On Jan 16, 6:07 am, Christopher A. Lee <ca...(a)optonline.net> wrote: > On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:49:36 -0800 (PST), species8350 > > > > > > <not_here.5.species8...(a)xoxy.net> wrote: > >On Jan 15, 7:17 pm, Char Jackson <n...(a)none.invalid> wrote: > >> On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 04:01:34 -0800 (PST), species8350 > > >> <not_here.5.species8...(a)xoxy.net> wrote: > >> >Another point. > > >> >I assume that I don't logout of the router. When I have finished a > >> >session, I assume that I just close the browser, and when ready switch > >> >off the pc > > >> Once the router is configured, you won't be logging into it unless or > >> until you need to make an additional configuration change. On a daily > >> basis, you'll mostly just leave it alone. > > >Chris, > > You have been asking general questions and we have been giving general > answers leaving you to work out the specifics for your situation, > which isn't working. > > So we need more detail. > > What is the complete setup of devices on your local network? Not just > yours but his as well. > > Will there be any local traffic between devices connected to the > router? File sharing? Networked printing? > > Or will it all be to and from the Internet? > > If so the limiting factor will probably be the throughput of the DSL > connection, not the wireless network. > > >I have a printer connected to my pc. > > How is it connected? > > If it's on a USB port it isn't an issue unless the other guy prints to > it via your PC. Which is a Windows feature that can be turned on or > off. > > For security purposes, turn it off. > > If it's connected to the router then remove it and connect it to a USB > port. > > If it's one of the latest wireless printers I have no experience of > these but I would expect them to use up bandwidth because they use the > same wireless adapter on your PC. I would guess they have some kind of > encryption to make sure your stuff doesn't appear on somebody else's > printer or vice versa > > Also for security purposes turn off file sharing which is another > Windows feature. > > >I now understand that I will be using the same channel as the bloke > >who shares the router.. > > >Is there any way that I can limit the obvious radio interference that > >I will get because we are sharing the same bell curve? > > That's not so much interference as contention. It's just devices > sharing the same channel. Only one can talk at a time. It's the same > situation as using your laptop at Starbucks. > > If it's his router you haven't any control over how many devices he > has connected to it. > > The amount of concurrent access to all devices including his and yours > makes a difference to the speed you will get out of the wireless link. > > If all you are both doing is connecting one computer to the outside > world then you probably won't notice it. > > But even if you do, it's his internet connection you're using for > free, and his router. You're stuck with how he has the encryption set > up, what its pass key is, etc. You might suggest he uses the strongest > possible with a phrase you and he can remember but that's all you can > do - ultimately it's up to him. > > In fact the limiting factor will probably be the DSL connection not > the wireless because that's the slowest link in the chain. > > You'll find that those of us with fast wireless use it for things like > shared networked disk storage which need the speed. > > >If not, will it cause much of a problem? > > It depends on the traffic. If you're both doing downloads at the same > time, either files, large web pages, high volume newsgroups etc, they > will slow down because you can only get so much bandwidth out of a > link. Bit torrent downloads can slow everything down. > > >On a related point. If I get a weak signal does this affect my speed > >of connectivity? > > Below a certain signal strength there will be more retries. Because > the level of the radio static doesn't change. > > >Would it affect downloading times? > > Yes. > > > > >If not, what are the disadvantages of a weak signal? > > >Thanks for all the advice. > > >Much appreciated. > > >Best wishes. > > >S- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Thanks again. Things seem to be going well. I was able to have a look at the router setup recently. We could not find the keys. Any idea where they might be? I see the Firewall is set to Standard. I assume that this is OK. Does a firewall update? I could not see a logout icon. It seem we just close the page? You mention the quality of the DSL connection. I am not sure what a DSL connection is. Is it the same as the Ethernet connection. If so, we aren't using one, we are both using Wireless. Thanks again. Ps. Your advice is definately working
From: species8350 on 16 Jan 2010 07:57 On Jan 16, 6:07 am, Christopher A. Lee <ca...(a)optonline.net> wrote: > On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:49:36 -0800 (PST), species8350 > > > > > > <not_here.5.species8...(a)xoxy.net> wrote: > >On Jan 15, 7:17 pm, Char Jackson <n...(a)none.invalid> wrote: > >> On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 04:01:34 -0800 (PST), species8350 > > >> <not_here.5.species8...(a)xoxy.net> wrote: > >> >Another point. > > >> >I assume that I don't logout of the router. When I have finished a > >> >session, I assume that I just close the browser, and when ready switch > >> >off the pc > > >> Once the router is configured, you won't be logging into it unless or > >> until you need to make an additional configuration change. On a daily > >> basis, you'll mostly just leave it alone. > > >Chris, > > You have been asking general questions and we have been giving general > answers leaving you to work out the specifics for your situation, > which isn't working. > > So we need more detail. > > What is the complete setup of devices on your local network? Not just > yours but his as well. > > Will there be any local traffic between devices connected to the > router? File sharing? Networked printing? > > Or will it all be to and from the Internet? > > If so the limiting factor will probably be the throughput of the DSL > connection, not the wireless network. > > >I have a printer connected to my pc. > > How is it connected? > > If it's on a USB port it isn't an issue unless the other guy prints to > it via your PC. Which is a Windows feature that can be turned on or > off. > > For security purposes, turn it off. > > If it's connected to the router then remove it and connect it to a USB > port. > > If it's one of the latest wireless printers I have no experience of > these but I would expect them to use up bandwidth because they use the > same wireless adapter on your PC. I would guess they have some kind of > encryption to make sure your stuff doesn't appear on somebody else's > printer or vice versa > > Also for security purposes turn off file sharing which is another > Windows feature. > > >I now understand that I will be using the same channel as the bloke > >who shares the router.. > > >Is there any way that I can limit the obvious radio interference that > >I will get because we are sharing the same bell curve? > > That's not so much interference as contention. It's just devices > sharing the same channel. Only one can talk at a time. It's the same > situation as using your laptop at Starbucks. > > If it's his router you haven't any control over how many devices he > has connected to it. > > The amount of concurrent access to all devices including his and yours > makes a difference to the speed you will get out of the wireless link. > > If all you are both doing is connecting one computer to the outside > world then you probably won't notice it. > > But even if you do, it's his internet connection you're using for > free, and his router. You're stuck with how he has the encryption set > up, what its pass key is, etc. You might suggest he uses the strongest > possible with a phrase you and he can remember but that's all you can > do - ultimately it's up to him. > > In fact the limiting factor will probably be the DSL connection not > the wireless because that's the slowest link in the chain. > > You'll find that those of us with fast wireless use it for things like > shared networked disk storage which need the speed. > > >If not, will it cause much of a problem? > > It depends on the traffic. If you're both doing downloads at the same > time, either files, large web pages, high volume newsgroups etc, they > will slow down because you can only get so much bandwidth out of a > link. Bit torrent downloads can slow everything down. > > >On a related point. If I get a weak signal does this affect my speed > >of connectivity? > > Below a certain signal strength there will be more retries. Because > the level of the radio static doesn't change. > > >Would it affect downloading times? > > Yes. > > > > >If not, what are the disadvantages of a weak signal? > > >Thanks for all the advice. > > >Much appreciated. > > >Best wishes. > > >S- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - On a related point regarding signal strength I have noticed that the strength varies. Is this due to variations within say 50 yds of the house. Basically what people are doing. I can watch the signal rising and falling. What are likely to be the major cause of this variation?
From: Bob on 16 Jan 2010 08:44 On 16/01/2010 12:46, species8350 wrote: > > I was able to have a look at the router setup recently. We could not > find the keys. Any idea where they might be? > Your posting host is still showing a "Plus.net" IP have you considered looking at their support site? I presume they supplied the router? For example:- How to check or change Wireless Security settings on the Thomson 585v7 router 1. Open your web browser and go to http://192.168.1.254/ - if you're asked for login details, the user name will be Administrator and the password will be the serial number shown on the bottom of your router (unless you've changed them). 2. At the bottom of the page, under Home Network, click the Wireless link.Once you've logged into your router, scroll down to Home Network and click Wireless. 3. On the Wireless summary page click Configure - it's in the top right corner of the page. Go to the top right side of the Wireless Summary page and click Configure. 4.You'll now see the settings for your wireless network. Security settings are at the bottom of the page. You can change your Wireless password here (WPA-PSK Encryption Key) and the type of encryption you're using (WPA-PSK Version). Once you've finished making changes click Apply. <http://www.plus.net/support/broadband/wireless_broadband/secure_home_network.shtml> Thomson normally provide a CD with the router and it should contain guided help on how to set up their router and connecting to wireless clients.
From: Christopher A. Lee on 16 Jan 2010 10:02
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:46:40 -0800 (PST), species8350 <not_here.5.species8350(a)xoxy.net> wrote: >Thanks again. > >Things seem to be going well. > >I was able to have a look at the router setup recently. We could not >find the keys. Any idea where they might be? The security pass keys? I don't know your router personally. But I downloaded a copy of your manual from the web. It says the default security pass key is printed on a label on the base of the router. >I see the Firewall is set to Standard. I assume that this is OK. Does >a firewall update? It's a different kind of firewall than your PC's security package. Your Internet provider allocates you a "world wide" IP address. To the outside world "you" are the router not your PC. The router allocates your PC a local IP address within network, and forwards messages to this new address which the outside world doesn't know. So it protects your computer from the outside world. It has some simple settings like whether or not to respond to a ping. This is a command anybody can send to an IP address or a URL to see if anything is there. Open a command prompt and do "ping google.com" or "ping 4.4.4.4" and you will get responses from those locations. Hackers ping address ranges to see what responds. If you turn off responding to ping they won't see your router at all. There are a few other things it can do but this is the most important. It's the sort of firewall that wouldn't normally get updated. You should still have a security package that prevents things piggybacking on incoming data, up-to-date lists of locations you don't want to go to, etc. >I could not see a logout icon. It seem we just close the page? Yes. >You mention the quality of the DSL connection. I am not sure what a >DSL connection is. Is it the same as the Ethernet connection. If so, >we aren't using one, we are both using Wireless. It's the kind of broadband connection the telephone company uses. From your router to the outside world. Because it uses the telephone wires you get a direct copper link from the router to the phone company which isn't shared with any other router. The other way uses the cable TV connection. All the houses in the same locality listen in to the same cable in the same way different TVs do. This isn't a problem because cable has much higher bandwidth and throughput so it works out three or four times faster than DSL for the end user. But both of these work out slower than your wireless connection to the router. Data goes through a lot of steps to get from your computer to a web site and back again. The whole thing is only as fast as the slowest link in the chain. Which is the DSL connection down the phone line, not your local wireless. >Thanks again. > >Ps. Your advice is definately working |