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From: Michael Moroney on 30 Dec 2009 21:16 mpc755 <mpc755(a)gmail.com> writes: >On Dec 30, 6:46=A0pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > It is consistent with experimental results. Light travels at 'c' with >> > respect to the aether. The aether is entrained by the Earth. >> >> This idea (aether entrainment) has been tested with stellar aberration >> and other tests. >Pouring water into telescopes to disprove aether entrainment? Aether >does not 'stick' to liquids an not to air. Aether is entrained by the >matter which is the Earth. It would seem that, as you claim, the aether near the earth is entrained by the earth, and (I assume) the aether near a star is entrained by the star, the next logical step would be to try to devise a way to measure the difference in velocities of these aethers. I don't know what stellar aberration is but I assume it would try to measure the velocity difference, and I doubt it involves pouring water into telescopes. >> You're right that the MMX did not rule this entrainment out. >MMX is evidence of aether entrainment. ....or the aether simply doesn't exist. (MMX cannot tell the difference between these two possibilities)
From: mpc755 on 30 Dec 2009 21:44 On Dec 30, 9:16 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote: > mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> writes: > >On Dec 30, 6:46=A0pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > It is consistent with experimental results. Light travels at 'c' with > >> > respect to the aether. The aether is entrained by the Earth. > > >> This idea (aether entrainment) has been tested with stellar aberration > >> and other tests. > >Pouring water into telescopes to disprove aether entrainment? Aether > >does not 'stick' to liquids an not to air. Aether is entrained by the > >matter which is the Earth. > > It would seem that, as you claim, the aether near the earth is entrained > by the earth, and (I assume) the aether near a star is entrained by the > star, the next logical step would be to try to devise a way to measure the > difference in velocities of these aethers. I don't know what stellar > aberration is but I assume it would try to measure the velocity difference, > and I doubt it involves pouring water into telescopes. > Aether Entrainment is the reason for the Pioneer Effect (http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_anomaly). The Sun's entrained aether ends past Uranus. This is where the Pioneer Satellites 'fell out of' the Sun's entrained aether. Just to help conceptualize the aether entrained by the Earth, think of the Moon as 'floating' in the Earth's entrained aether. The aether at the surface of the Earth is moving at almost the identical speed as the Earth's surface and the further away from the Earth you get, the slower the aether. The first 30 seconds makes the point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLZzaDVJxIc One thing I think is evidence of aether entrainment is the moons of Jupiter. If you look at the inner moons of Jupiter they exist within Jupiter's entrained aether. The outer moons of Jupiter 'fell out of' Jupiter's entrained aether and orbit in the opposite direction. All of Jupiter's moons are under the effects of Jupiter's displaced aether which is apply pressure back towards Jupiter, keeping all of Jupiter's moons in orbit. Here is a good animation of Jupiter's moons. Select Jupiter and then use the '+' sign to drill down and see Jupiter's inner moons: http://janus.astro.umd.edu/SolarSystems/ Just to try and visualize what I mean by the planets or satellites 'fall out of' the entrained aether. Take a look at this video of a hurricane. It is hard to notice, but right around the 20 second mark, the clouds over Cuba fall back towards Cuba and start to go in the other direction. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUuG63EO6bs > >> You're right that the MMX did not rule this entrainment out. > >MMX is evidence of aether entrainment. > > ...or the aether simply doesn't exist. (MMX cannot tell the difference > between these two possibilities) 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein' http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html "According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable"
From: mpc755 on 31 Dec 2009 05:13 On Dec 30, 9:44 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Dec 30, 9:16 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) > wrote: > > > > > mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> writes: > > >On Dec 30, 6:46=A0pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > It is consistent with experimental results. Light travels at 'c' with > > >> > respect to the aether. The aether is entrained by the Earth. > > > >> This idea (aether entrainment) has been tested with stellar aberration > > >> and other tests. > > >Pouring water into telescopes to disprove aether entrainment? Aether > > >does not 'stick' to liquids an not to air. Aether is entrained by the > > >matter which is the Earth. > > > It would seem that, as you claim, the aether near the earth is entrained > > by the earth, and (I assume) the aether near a star is entrained by the > > star, the next logical step would be to try to devise a way to measure the > > difference in velocities of these aethers. I don't know what stellar > > aberration is but I assume it would try to measure the velocity difference, > > and I doubt it involves pouring water into telescopes. > > Aether Entrainment is the reason for the Pioneer Effect (http:// > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_anomaly). The Sun's entrained aether > ends past Uranus. This is where the Pioneer Satellites 'fell out of' > the Sun's entrained aether. > > Just to help conceptualize the aether entrained by the Earth, think of > the Moon as 'floating' in the Earth's entrained aether. The aether at > the surface of the Earth is moving at almost the identical speed as > the Earth's surface and the further away from the Earth you get, the > slower the aether. The first 30 seconds makes the point: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLZzaDVJxIc > > One thing I think is evidence of aether entrainment is the moons of > Jupiter. If you look at the inner moons of Jupiter they exist within > Jupiter's entrained aether. The outer moons of Jupiter 'fell out of' > Jupiter's entrained aether and orbit in the opposite direction. All of > Jupiter's moons are under the effects of Jupiter's displaced aether > which is apply pressure back towards Jupiter, keeping all of Jupiter's > moons in orbit. > My guess as to the reason why Jupiter's outer moons orbit in the opposite direction relative to Jupiter's entrained aether but Neptune does not orbit in the opposite direction of the Sun's entrained aether is due to Jupiter's outer moons having to deal with the 'head wind' they face with respect to Jupiter moving relative to the Sun's entrained aether. While the effects of the Milky Way's entrained aether, if it is even entrained by the Milky Way where the Solar System is, it is not strong enough to cause Neptune to orbit the Sun in the opposite direction. More evidence of Aether Entrainment would be to find outer planets in systems closer to the center of the Milky Way orbiting in the opposite direction of the inner planets. Other evidence of aether entrainment is the rotation and magnetic fields of Uranus. Somehow, possibly by a large body flying close by Uranus, Uranus has 'tipped over', but its magnetic field did not 'tip over' with the matter which is Uranus. If you imagine Uranus being at the edge of the Sun's entrained aether you might be able to imagine the Sun's entrained aether not being strong enough to keep the matter which is Uranus 'upright' if Uranus interacted with a large body, but strong enough to cause it's poles to rotate over time and align with the 'flow' of the Sun's entrained aether once it had 'tipped over'. > Here is a good animation of Jupiter's moons. Select Jupiter and then > use the '+' sign to drill down and see Jupiter's inner moons: > > http://janus.astro.umd.edu/SolarSystems/ > > Just to try and visualize what I mean by the satellites > 'falling out of' the entrained aether. Take a look at this video of a > hurricane. It is hard to notice, but right around the 20 second mark, > the clouds over Cuba fall back towards Cuba and start to go in the > other direction. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUuG63EO6bs > > > >> You're right that the MMX did not rule this entrainment out. > > >MMX is evidence of aether entrainment. > > > ...or the aether simply doesn't exist. (MMX cannot tell the difference > > between these two possibilities) > > 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html > > "According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is > unthinkable"
From: Michael Moroney on 31 Dec 2009 11:36 mpc755 <mpc755(a)gmail.com> writes: >On Dec 30, 9:16 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) >wrote: >> >> > respect to the aether. The aether is entrained by the Earth. >> >> >> This idea (aether entrainment) has been tested with stellar aberration >> >> and other tests. >> >Pouring water into telescopes to disprove aether entrainment? Aether >> >does not 'stick' to liquids an not to air. Aether is entrained by the >> >matter which is the Earth. >> >> It would seem that, as you claim, the aether near the earth is entrained >> by the earth, and (I assume) the aether near a star is entrained by the >> star, the next logical step would be to try to devise a way to measure the >> difference in velocities of these aethers. I don't know what stellar >> aberration is but I assume it would try to measure the velocity difference, >> and I doubt it involves pouring water into telescopes. >> >One thing I think is evidence of aether entrainment is the moons of >Jupiter. If you look at the inner moons of Jupiter they exist within >Jupiter's entrained aether. The outer moons of Jupiter 'fell out of' >Jupiter's entrained aether and orbit in the opposite direction. All of >Jupiter's moons are under the effects of Jupiter's displaced aether >which is apply pressure back towards Jupiter, keeping all of Jupiter's >moons in orbit. No need to create an "aether" to explain the orbits of planets and moons. Newton's and Kepler's Laws describe things just fine, other than a minor tweak by GR for things like Mercury's precession. Again, such "aethers" moving at different velocities, each with their own local speeds of light would have such speed differences easily detected. No such result has been observed. >> >> You're right that the MMX did not rule this entrainment out. >> >MMX is evidence of aether entrainment. >> >> ...or the aether simply doesn't exist. (MMX cannot tell the difference >> between these two possibilities) >'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein' >http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html >"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is >unthinkable" Again, MMX cannot tell the difference between the two possibilities of entrained aether and no aether. Further experiments are needed to tell which of these possibilities is correct. Einstein's comments were in a time when "everyone" thought there was an aether, it was before De Broglie and others came up with the wave-particle duality and the rest of quantum mechanics where all "things", including light and particle-like things like electrons all have characteristics of both waves and particles, making the need for an aether to explain things unnecessary.
From: mpc755 on 31 Dec 2009 11:53
On Dec 31, 11:36 am, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote: > mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> writes: > >On Dec 30, 9:16 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) > >wrote: > >> >> > respect to the aether. The aether is entrained by the Earth. > > >> >> This idea (aether entrainment) has been tested with stellar aberration > >> >> and other tests. > >> >Pouring water into telescopes to disprove aether entrainment? Aether > >> >does not 'stick' to liquids an not to air. Aether is entrained by the > >> >matter which is the Earth. > > >> It would seem that, as you claim, the aether near the earth is entrained > >> by the earth, and (I assume) the aether near a star is entrained by the > >> star, the next logical step would be to try to devise a way to measure the > >> difference in velocities of these aethers. I don't know what stellar > >> aberration is but I assume it would try to measure the velocity difference, > >> and I doubt it involves pouring water into telescopes. > > >One thing I think is evidence of aether entrainment is the moons of > >Jupiter. If you look at the inner moons of Jupiter they exist within > >Jupiter's entrained aether. The outer moons of Jupiter 'fell out of' > >Jupiter's entrained aether and orbit in the opposite direction. All of > >Jupiter's moons are under the effects of Jupiter's displaced aether > >which is apply pressure back towards Jupiter, keeping all of Jupiter's > >moons in orbit. > > No need to create an "aether" to explain the orbits of planets and moons. > Newton's and Kepler's Laws describe things just fine, other than a minor > tweak by GR for things like Mercury's precession. > Aether Entrainment explains the Pioneer Effect. Other evidence of aether entrainment is the rotation and magnetic fields of Uranus. Somehow, possibly by a large body flying close by Uranus, Uranus has 'tipped over', but its magnetic field did not 'tip over' with the matter which is Uranus. If you imagine Uranus being at the edge of the Sun's entrained aether you might be able to imagine the Sun's entrained aether not being strong enough to keep the matter which is Uranus 'upright' if Uranus interacted with a large body, but strong enough to cause it's poles to rotate over time and align with the 'flow' of the Sun's entrained aether once it had 'tipped over'. > > Again, such "aethers" moving at different velocities, each with their own > local speeds of light would have such speed differences easily detected. > No such result has been observed. > Incorrect. The light travels at 'c' relative to the aether. The aether is entrained by the stars. Once the light enters the solar system and is received by the Earth it has been traveling at 'c' relative to the Suns entrained aether and then the Earth's entrained aether. Again, it is like someone in Florida firing a bullet at almost 'c' at the eye of a hurricane heading for Louisiana. It will difficult, possibly impossible, for an Observer in the eye of the hurricane to notice the winds effects on the bullet. Consider binary stars. The light emitted by one star is entrained by that star. Soon after being emitted the light travels at 'c' with respect to the aether entrained by both stars. Then that light enters the solar system and travels at 'c' with respect to the aether entrained by the Sun. Then the light gets close to Earth and travels at 'c' with respect to the aether entrained by the Earth. Where along the path the light travels can we detect the entrained aether's effect on the light? > >> >> You're right that the MMX did not rule this entrainment out. > >> >MMX is evidence of aether entrainment. > > >> ...or the aether simply doesn't exist. (MMX cannot tell the difference > >> between these two possibilities) > >'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein' > >http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html > >"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is > >unthinkable" > > Again, MMX cannot tell the difference between the two possibilities of > entrained aether and no aether. Further experiments are needed to tell > which of these possibilities is correct. > > Einstein's comments were in a time when "everyone" thought there was an > aether, it was before De Broglie and others came up with the wave-particle > duality and the rest of quantum mechanics where all "things", including > light and particle-like things like electrons all have characteristics of > both waves and particles, making the need for an aether to explain things > unnecessary. Once you exclude an aether you have to believe in magic like the C-60 molecule, 60 interconnected atoms, is able to enter, travel through, and exit multiple slits simultaneously in a double slit experiment without requiring energy, releasing energy, or have a change in momentum. In Aether Displacement, the C-60 molecule, due to the matter, which is the C-60 molecule, connections with the aether, the C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the aether. The C-60 molecule always enters and exits a single slit while the displacement wave it creates in the aether enters and exits multiple slits. When the displacement wave exits the slits, it creates interference which alters the direction the C-60 molecule travels. You also have to believe in magic in terms of what is occurring in a 'delayed choice' experiment. If you look at the image on the right here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experiment All that is occurring is the wave associated with the photon is traveling both the red and blue paths. The photon 'particle' travels a single path. When the red and blue paths combine, the physical waves in the aether create interference and the direction the photon 'particle' travels is altered. Nothing is delayed. Nothing is erased. Just physical waves in the aether doing what waves do and that is travel available paths, and a 'particle' doing what a particle does and that is travel a single path. A modified deBroglie statement of, "A moving object or particle has an associated aether wave" and all of the nonsense goes away. |