From: PA Bear [MS MVP] on
You've gotta detect & remove all the hijackware first, bucko, and MBAM ain't
gonna do it on its own.

NB: If you had no anti-virus application installed or the subscription had
expired *when the machine first got infected* and/or your subscription has
since expired and/or the machine's not been kept fully-patched at Windows
Update, don't waste your time with any of the below: Format & reinstall
Windows. A Repair Install will NOT help!

Microsoft PCSafety provides home users (only) with no-charge support in
dealing with malware infections such as viruses, spyware (including unwanted
software), and adware.
https://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?&prid=7552&st=1

Also available via the Consumer Security Support home page:
https://consumersecuritysupport.microsoft.com/

Otherwise...

1. See if you can download/run the MSRT manually:
http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx

NB: Run the FULL scan, not the QUICK scan! You may need to download the
MSRT on a non-infected machine, then transfer MRT.EXE to the infected
machine and rename it to SCAN.EXE before running it.

2a. WinXP => Run the Windows Live Safety Center's 'Protection' scan (only!)
in Safe Mode with Networking, if need be:
http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/center/howsafe.htm

2b. Vista or Win7=> Run this scan instead:
http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/center/whatsnew.htm

3. Now run a thorough check for hijackware, including posting requested logs
in an appropriate forum, not here. DO NOT SKIP THIS STEP!!

Checking for/Help with Hijackware:
� http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/unwanted.htm
� http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/tshoot.html
� http://www.mvps.org/sramesh2k/Malware_Defence.htm
� http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Removing_Malware

**Chances are you will need to seek expert assistance in
http://spywarehammer.com/simplemachinesforum/index.php?board=10.0,
http://www.spywarewarrior.com/viewforum.php?f=5,
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/cleanup,
http://www.bluetack.co.uk/forums/index.php,
http://aumha.net/viewforum.php?f=30 or other appropriate forums.**

If these procedures look too complex - and there is no shame in admitting
this isn't your cup of tea - take the machine to a local, reputable and
independent (i.e., not BigBoxStoreUSA or Geek Squad) computer repair shop.

NICK MEALE wrote:
> My fire wall and virus protection are turned off in Security Center...How
> do
> I turn them on?....Thanks,Nicolino
>
> "Michael" <mdsjhu(a)gropumail.com> wrote in message
> news:uKVI9QJ5KHA.1424(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> "NICK MEALE" <nmeale78(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:O0ZPC7I5KHA.5476(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> My computer is infected and now a box saying XP Internet Security keeps
>>> popping up and I can't elim the icon on the task bar..How do I rid
>>> myself
>>> of it or should i delete in add and remove?..I don't want to restore it
>>> as I plan on getting a new computer soon
>>> Thanks,Nicolino
>>
>> http://www.malwarebytes.org/
>> --
>>
>>
>> "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
>> If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."

From: NICK MEALE on
I am going to be in safe mode until I get a new computer...XP Security Alert
shows up and when I choose the option to continue at my risk it doesn't let
me and when I close it out the existing website is lost...How do I rid my
computer of it..Safe mode isn't safe I have found out..I can't download the
scan "safety.live.com"..I beleive MS has given up on helping me by
phone...Thank you for your comments...Nicolino


"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:uYAoejp5KHA.420(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> You've gotta detect & remove all the hijackware first, bucko, and MBAM
> ain't gonna do it on its own.
>
> NB: If you had no anti-virus application installed or the subscription had
> expired *when the machine first got infected* and/or your subscription has
> since expired and/or the machine's not been kept fully-patched at Windows
> Update, don't waste your time with any of the below: Format & reinstall
> Windows. A Repair Install will NOT help!
>
> Microsoft PCSafety provides home users (only) with no-charge support in
> dealing with malware infections such as viruses, spyware (including
> unwanted software), and adware.
> https://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?&prid=7552&st=1
>
> Also available via the Consumer Security Support home page:
> https://consumersecuritysupport.microsoft.com/
>
> Otherwise...
>
> 1. See if you can download/run the MSRT manually:
> http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx
>
> NB: Run the FULL scan, not the QUICK scan! You may need to download the
> MSRT on a non-infected machine, then transfer MRT.EXE to the infected
> machine and rename it to SCAN.EXE before running it.
>
> 2a. WinXP => Run the Windows Live Safety Center's 'Protection' scan
> (only!) in Safe Mode with Networking, if need be:
> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/center/howsafe.htm
>
> 2b. Vista or Win7=> Run this scan instead:
> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/center/whatsnew.htm
>
> 3. Now run a thorough check for hijackware, including posting requested
> logs in an appropriate forum, not here. DO NOT SKIP THIS STEP!!
>
> Checking for/Help with Hijackware:
> � http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/unwanted.htm
> � http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/tshoot.html
> � http://www.mvps.org/sramesh2k/Malware_Defence.htm
> � http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Removing_Malware
>
> **Chances are you will need to seek expert assistance in
> http://spywarehammer.com/simplemachinesforum/index.php?board=10.0,
> http://www.spywarewarrior.com/viewforum.php?f=5,
> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/cleanup,
> http://www.bluetack.co.uk/forums/index.php,
> http://aumha.net/viewforum.php?f=30 or other appropriate forums.**
>
> If these procedures look too complex - and there is no shame in admitting
> this isn't your cup of tea - take the machine to a local, reputable and
> independent (i.e., not BigBoxStoreUSA or Geek Squad) computer repair shop.
>
> NICK MEALE wrote:
>> My fire wall and virus protection are turned off in Security Center...How
>> do
>> I turn them on?....Thanks,Nicolino
>>
>> "Michael" <mdsjhu(a)gropumail.com> wrote in message
>> news:uKVI9QJ5KHA.1424(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> "NICK MEALE" <nmeale78(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> news:O0ZPC7I5KHA.5476(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> My computer is infected and now a box saying XP Internet Security keeps
>>>> popping up and I can't elim the icon on the task bar..How do I rid
>>>> myself
>>>> of it or should i delete in add and remove?..I don't want to restore it
>>>> as I plan on getting a new computer soon
>>>> Thanks,Nicolino
>>>
>>> http://www.malwarebytes.org/
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
>>> If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
>


From: PA Bear [MS MVP] on
If you're running in Safe Mode, you can't do anything online.

If you're running in Safe Mode with Networking, your data and every other
computer on the internet remains At Risk.

And you certainly would NOT want to migrate any of your current data to your
new computer, either.

Back-up any personal data (none of which should be considered 100%
trustworthy at this point) then format the HDD & do a clean install of
Windows. Please note that a Repair Install (AKA in-place upgrade) will NOT
fix this!

HOW TO do a clean install of WinXP: See
http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps and/or Method 1 in
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978307

After the clean install, you will have the equivalent of a "new computer" so
take care of everything on the following page before otherwise connecting
the machine to the internet or a local network (i.e., other computers) and
before using a flash drive or SDCard that isn't brand-new or hasn't been
freshly formatted:

4 steps to help protect your new computer before you go online
http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx

Other helpful references include:

HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) fully patched
(after a clean install)
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c

HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched (after a
clean install)
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b

Tip: After getting the computer fully-patched, download/install KB971029
manually: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971029

NB: Any Norton or McAfee free-trial that came preinstalled on the computer
when you bought it will be reinstalled (but invalid) when Windows is
reinstalled. You MUST uninstall the free-trial and download/run the
appropriate removal tool before installing any updates, Windows Service
Packs or IE upgrades and before installing your new anti-virus application
(which will require WinXP SP3 to be installed).

Norton Removal Tool
ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe

McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool
http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe

Also see:

Risks & Benefits of P2P file sharing
http://www.microsoft.com/protect/data/downloadfileshare/filesharing.aspx
http://blogs.technet.com/mmpc/archive/2008/10/06/the-cost-of-free-software.aspx

Steps To Help Prevent Spyware
http://www.microsoft.com/security/spyware/prevent.aspx

Steps to Help Prevent Computer Worms
http://www.microsoft.com/security/worms/prevent.aspx

Avoid Rogue Security Software!
http://www.microsoft.com/security/antivirus/rogue.aspx

If these procedures look too complex - and there is no shame in admitting
this isn't your cup of tea - take the machine to a local, reputable and
independent (i.e., not BigBoxStoreUSA or Geek Squad) computer repair shop.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002



NICK MEALE wrote:
> I am going to be in safe mode until I get a new computer...XP Security
> Alert
> shows up and when I choose the option to continue at my risk it doesn't
> let
> me and when I close it out the existing website is lost...How do I rid my
> computer of it..Safe mode isn't safe I have found out..I can't download
> the
> scan "safety.live.com"..I beleive MS has given up on helping me by
> phone...Thank you for your comments...Nicolino
>
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uYAoejp5KHA.420(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> You've gotta detect & remove all the hijackware first, bucko, and MBAM
>> ain't gonna do it on its own.
>>
>> NB: If you had no anti-virus application installed or the subscription
>> had
>> expired *when the machine first got infected* and/or your subscription
>> has
>> since expired and/or the machine's not been kept fully-patched at Windows
>> Update, don't waste your time with any of the below: Format & reinstall
>> Windows. A Repair Install will NOT help!
>>
>> Microsoft PCSafety provides home users (only) with no-charge support in
>> dealing with malware infections such as viruses, spyware (including
>> unwanted software), and adware.
>> https://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?&prid=7552&st=1
>>
>> Also available via the Consumer Security Support home page:
>> https://consumersecuritysupport.microsoft.com/
>>
>> Otherwise...
>>
>> 1. See if you can download/run the MSRT manually:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx
>>
>> NB: Run the FULL scan, not the QUICK scan! You may need to download the
>> MSRT on a non-infected machine, then transfer MRT.EXE to the infected
>> machine and rename it to SCAN.EXE before running it.
>>
>> 2a. WinXP => Run the Windows Live Safety Center's 'Protection' scan
>> (only!) in Safe Mode with Networking, if need be:
>> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/center/howsafe.htm
>>
>> 2b. Vista or Win7=> Run this scan instead:
>> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/center/whatsnew.htm
>>
>> 3. Now run a thorough check for hijackware, including posting requested
>> logs in an appropriate forum, not here. DO NOT SKIP THIS STEP!!
>>
>> Checking for/Help with Hijackware:
>> � http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/unwanted.htm
>> � http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/tshoot.html
>> � http://www.mvps.org/sramesh2k/Malware_Defence.htm
>> � http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Removing_Malware
>>
>> **Chances are you will need to seek expert assistance in
>> http://spywarehammer.com/simplemachinesforum/index.php?board=10.0,
>> http://www.spywarewarrior.com/viewforum.php?f=5,
>> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/cleanup,
>> http://www.bluetack.co.uk/forums/index.php,
>> http://aumha.net/viewforum.php?f=30 or other appropriate forums.**
>>
>> If these procedures look too complex - and there is no shame in admitting
>> this isn't your cup of tea - take the machine to a local, reputable and
>> independent (i.e., not BigBoxStoreUSA or Geek Squad) computer repair
>> shop.
>>
>> NICK MEALE wrote:
>>> My fire wall and virus protection are turned off in Security
>>> Center...How
>>> do
>>> I turn them on?....Thanks,Nicolino
>>>
>>>>> My computer is infected and now a box saying XP Internet Security
>>>>> keeps
>>>>> popping up and I can't elim the icon on the task bar..How do I rid
>>>>> myself
>>>>> of it or should i delete in add and remove?..I don't want to restore
>>>>> it
>>>>> as I plan on getting a new computer soon
>>>>> Thanks,Nicolino
>>>>
>>>> http://www.malwarebytes.org/

From: NICK MEALE on
Thanks for your time and consideration........Nicolino
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:eN2bxsx5KHA.5808(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> If you're running in Safe Mode, you can't do anything online.
>
> If you're running in Safe Mode with Networking, your data and every other
> computer on the internet remains At Risk.
>
> And you certainly would NOT want to migrate any of your current data to
> your new computer, either.
>
> Back-up any personal data (none of which should be considered 100%
> trustworthy at this point) then format the HDD & do a clean install of
> Windows. Please note that a Repair Install (AKA in-place upgrade) will
> NOT fix this!
>
> HOW TO do a clean install of WinXP: See
> http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps and/or Method 1 in
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978307
>
> After the clean install, you will have the equivalent of a "new computer"
> so take care of everything on the following page before otherwise
> connecting the machine to the internet or a local network (i.e., other
> computers) and before using a flash drive or SDCard that isn't brand-new
> or hasn't been freshly formatted:
>
> 4 steps to help protect your new computer before you go online
> http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx
>
> Other helpful references include:
>
> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) fully patched
> (after a clean install)
> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c
>
> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched (after a
> clean install)
> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b
>
> Tip: After getting the computer fully-patched, download/install KB971029
> manually: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971029
>
> NB: Any Norton or McAfee free-trial that came preinstalled on the computer
> when you bought it will be reinstalled (but invalid) when Windows is
> reinstalled. You MUST uninstall the free-trial and download/run the
> appropriate removal tool before installing any updates, Windows Service
> Packs or IE upgrades and before installing your new anti-virus application
> (which will require WinXP SP3 to be installed).
>
> Norton Removal Tool
>
> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe
>
> McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool
>
> http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe
>
> Also see:
>
> Risks & Benefits of P2P file sharing
> http://www.microsoft.com/protect/data/downloadfileshare/filesharing.aspx
> http://blogs.technet.com/mmpc/archive/2008/10/06/the-cost-of-free-software.aspx
>
> Steps To Help Prevent Spyware
> http://www.microsoft.com/security/spyware/prevent.aspx
>
> Steps to Help Prevent Computer Worms
> http://www.microsoft.com/security/worms/prevent.aspx
>
> Avoid Rogue Security Software!
> http://www.microsoft.com/security/antivirus/rogue.aspx
>
> If these procedures look too complex - and there is no shame in admitting
> this isn't your cup of tea - take the machine to a local, reputable and
> independent (i.e., not BigBoxStoreUSA or Geek Squad) computer repair shop.
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
>
>
>
> NICK MEALE wrote:
>> I am going to be in safe mode until I get a new computer...XP Security
>> Alert
>> shows up and when I choose the option to continue at my risk it doesn't
>> let
>> me and when I close it out the existing website is lost...How do I rid my
>> computer of it..Safe mode isn't safe I have found out..I can't download
>> the
>> scan "safety.live.com"..I beleive MS has given up on helping me by
>> phone...Thank you for your comments...Nicolino
>>
>>
>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:uYAoejp5KHA.420(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> You've gotta detect & remove all the hijackware first, bucko, and MBAM
>>> ain't gonna do it on its own.
>>>
>>> NB: If you had no anti-virus application installed or the subscription
>>> had
>>> expired *when the machine first got infected* and/or your subscription
>>> has
>>> since expired and/or the machine's not been kept fully-patched at
>>> Windows
>>> Update, don't waste your time with any of the below: Format & reinstall
>>> Windows. A Repair Install will NOT help!
>>>
>>> Microsoft PCSafety provides home users (only) with no-charge support in
>>> dealing with malware infections such as viruses, spyware (including
>>> unwanted software), and adware.
>>> https://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?&prid=7552&st=1
>>>
>>> Also available via the Consumer Security Support home page:
>>> https://consumersecuritysupport.microsoft.com/
>>>
>>> Otherwise...
>>>
>>> 1. See if you can download/run the MSRT manually:
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx
>>>
>>> NB: Run the FULL scan, not the QUICK scan! You may need to download the
>>> MSRT on a non-infected machine, then transfer MRT.EXE to the infected
>>> machine and rename it to SCAN.EXE before running it.
>>>
>>> 2a. WinXP => Run the Windows Live Safety Center's 'Protection' scan
>>> (only!) in Safe Mode with Networking, if need be:
>>> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/center/howsafe.htm
>>>
>>> 2b. Vista or Win7=> Run this scan instead:
>>> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/center/whatsnew.htm
>>>
>>> 3. Now run a thorough check for hijackware, including posting requested
>>> logs in an appropriate forum, not here. DO NOT SKIP THIS STEP!!
>>>
>>> Checking for/Help with Hijackware:
>>> � http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/unwanted.htm
>>> � http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/tshoot.html
>>> � http://www.mvps.org/sramesh2k/Malware_Defence.htm
>>> � http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Removing_Malware
>>>
>>> **Chances are you will need to seek expert assistance in
>>> http://spywarehammer.com/simplemachinesforum/index.php?board=10.0,
>>> http://www.spywarewarrior.com/viewforum.php?f=5,
>>> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/cleanup,
>>> http://www.bluetack.co.uk/forums/index.php,
>>> http://aumha.net/viewforum.php?f=30 or other appropriate forums.**
>>>
>>> If these procedures look too complex - and there is no shame in
>>> admitting
>>> this isn't your cup of tea - take the machine to a local, reputable and
>>> independent (i.e., not BigBoxStoreUSA or Geek Squad) computer repair
>>> shop.
>>>
>>> NICK MEALE wrote:
>>>> My fire wall and virus protection are turned off in Security
>>>> Center...How
>>>> do
>>>> I turn them on?....Thanks,Nicolino
>>>>
>>>>>> My computer is infected and now a box saying XP Internet Security
>>>>>> keeps
>>>>>> popping up and I can't elim the icon on the task bar..How do I rid
>>>>>> myself
>>>>>> of it or should i delete in add and remove?..I don't want to restore
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> as I plan on getting a new computer soon
>>>>>> Thanks,Nicolino
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.malwarebytes.org/
>


From: NICK MEALE on
I get an error message 0x08600807 when trying to download
http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/center/howsafe.htm in safe mode.
Will I lose all my personal files if I reinstall Windows?..Thank you...Nick
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:uYAoejp5KHA.420(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> You've gotta detect & remove all the hijackware first, bucko, and MBAM
> ain't gonna do it on its own.
>
> NB: If you had no anti-virus application installed or the subscription had
> expired *when the machine first got infected* and/or your subscription has
> since expired and/or the machine's not been kept fully-patched at Windows
> Update, don't waste your time with any of the below: Format & reinstall
> Windows. A Repair Install will NOT help!
>
> Microsoft PCSafety provides home users (only) with no-charge support in
> dealing with malware infections such as viruses, spyware (including
> unwanted software), and adware.
> https://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?&prid=7552&st=1
>
> Also available via the Consumer Security Support home page:
> https://consumersecuritysupport.microsoft.com/
>
> Otherwise...
>
> 1. See if you can download/run the MSRT manually:
> http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx
>
> NB: Run the FULL scan, not the QUICK scan! You may need to download the
> MSRT on a non-infected machine, then transfer MRT.EXE to the infected
> machine and rename it to SCAN.EXE before running it.
>
> 2a. WinXP => Run the Windows Live Safety Center's 'Protection' scan
> (only!) in Safe Mode with Networking, if need be:
> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/center/howsafe.htm
>
> 2b. Vista or Win7=> Run this scan instead:
> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/center/whatsnew.htm
>
> 3. Now run a thorough check for hijackware, including posting requested
> logs in an appropriate forum, not here. DO NOT SKIP THIS STEP!!
>
> Checking for/Help with Hijackware:
> � http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/unwanted.htm
> � http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/tshoot.html
> � http://www.mvps.org/sramesh2k/Malware_Defence.htm
> � http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Removing_Malware
>
> **Chances are you will need to seek expert assistance in
> http://spywarehammer.com/simplemachinesforum/index.php?board=10.0,
> http://www.spywarewarrior.com/viewforum.php?f=5,
> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/cleanup,
> http://www.bluetack.co.uk/forums/index.php,
> http://aumha.net/viewforum.php?f=30 or other appropriate forums.**
>
> If these procedures look too complex - and there is no shame in admitting
> this isn't your cup of tea - take the machine to a local, reputable and
> independent (i.e., not BigBoxStoreUSA or Geek Squad) computer repair shop.
>
> NICK MEALE wrote:
>> My fire wall and virus protection are turned off in Security Center...How
>> do
>> I turn them on?....Thanks,Nicolino
>>
>> "Michael" <mdsjhu(a)gropumail.com> wrote in message
>> news:uKVI9QJ5KHA.1424(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> "NICK MEALE" <nmeale78(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> news:O0ZPC7I5KHA.5476(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> My computer is infected and now a box saying XP Internet Security keeps
>>>> popping up and I can't elim the icon on the task bar..How do I rid
>>>> myself
>>>> of it or should i delete in add and remove?..I don't want to restore it
>>>> as I plan on getting a new computer soon
>>>> Thanks,Nicolino
>>>
>>> http://www.malwarebytes.org/
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
>>> If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
>