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From: Woody on 26 Sep 2006 19:28 Andrew Collier <spambucket(a)intensity.org.uk> wrote: > In article <1hmanwz.10xgklv1nmakc6N%usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk>, > usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) wrote: > > > David Baxter <taemar(a)spamblock.atlanticrealm.com> wrote: > > > > > D.M. Procida wrote: > > > > The PowerMac G5s and the iMac G5s, just in the complexity > > > > of their cooling systems, make it quite clear that it's an issue of > > > > prime importance. > > > > > > Sorry, but I really have to disagree. Comparing a PowerMac G5 tower with > > > a MacBook Pro is not a fair comparison. One is a large tower with plenty > > > of room for cooling and airflow, the other is not. > > > > Which one?? > > MacBook Pro == large tower? Now it is lucky you said that as I was leaning the other way ;-) -- Woody www.alienrat.com
From: D.M. Procida on 27 Sep 2006 04:08 Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie(a)sometimes.sessile.org> wrote: > >> If (and I say if, because I don't own a MacBook Pro so I'm not speaking > >> from first-hand experience) MacBook Pros really are getting so hot that > >> hard drives are failing, then that is a serious issue. Full stop. > > > >And your evidence that hard disk drives in MacBook Pros are failing due > >to excessive heat is...? > > You noticed the "If"s, of course. > > Evidence is Ian. So that's three hard drive in at least one MacBook > Pro, with circumstantial "Blimey that was hot" comments. Ian is not evidence, however unbelieveably appalling his experience has been. Evidence would be data from the entire user-base or a large random sample of it, adjusted to take note of different disk drive brands and models, and compared with rates of failure for other laptop computers. > Why so argumentative all the time? What would you like to see when people make ill-founded assertions sustained by weak reasoning then? Abuse? Ridicule? > Laptops are demons for excess heat, with so little space for airflow and > the need for fans to be both small and quiet. It's not a tricky concept. And yet I have never heard of any laptop from any manufacturer in which a design flaw in the cooling system was positively identified (i.e. not by chat-room-style speculation) as a cause of hard disk drive failures. Daniele
From: D.M. Procida on 27 Sep 2006 04:08 Ian McCall <ian(a)eruvia.org> wrote: > > And your evidence that hard disk drives in MacBook Pros are failing due > > to excessive heat is...? > > <small cough> > > That would be me then. No Ian, that's your experience, not evidence. It's a little bit of data. If your experience were repeated thousands of times by different people in different places in different times, then we would be looking at something like evidence. Daniele
From: Jim on 27 Sep 2006 04:25 In article <1hmbf69.9ar56q1jcvcl8N%real-not-anti-spam-address(a)apple-juice.co.uk>, D.M. Procida wrote: > Ian McCall <ian(a)eruvia.org> wrote: > >> > And your evidence that hard disk drives in MacBook Pros are failing due >> > to excessive heat is...? >> >> <small cough> >> >> That would be me then. > > No Ian, that's your experience, not evidence. It's a little bit of data. Also known as 'evidence'. It may not be enough to constitute a general case but it's certainly evidence because it actually happened. Jim -- Find me at http://www.ursaMinorBeta.co.uk JediGeeks http://www.jedigeeks.com "The deil's awa, the deil's awa, the deil's awa wi' th' Exciseman."
From: D.M. Procida on 27 Sep 2006 04:48
Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote: > >> > And your evidence that hard disk drives in MacBook Pros are failing due > >> > to excessive heat is...? > >> > >> <small cough> > >> > >> That would be me then. > > > > No Ian, that's your experience, not evidence. It's a little bit of data. > > Also known as 'evidence'. It may not be enough to constitute a general case > but it's certainly evidence because it actually happened. What actually happened? In what way does Ian's experience constitute evidence that "hard disk drives in MacBook Pros are failing due to excessive heat"? Even if the cause of all Ian's hard disk drive failures is in fact excessive heat, which we certainly don't know, it does not indicate anything about the general case. That is the difference between "data" and "evidence". Daniele |