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From: Spehro Pefhany on 14 May 2010 13:47 On Fri, 14 May 2010 10:40:49 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >Check the tax situation first, all taxes including property taxes, cost >of living, et cetera. AZ may not be the first contender then. Maybe they have some "boycott days" special deals.
From: Joerg on 14 May 2010 13:49 Spehro Pefhany wrote: > On Fri, 14 May 2010 10:40:49 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> > wrote: > > >> Check the tax situation first, all taxes including property taxes, cost >> of living, et cetera. AZ may not be the first contender then. > > Maybe they have some "boycott days" special deals. > Doubt it. There's actually emails going around suggesting to prefer AZ products and services, and boycott same from regions that turned hostile towards them. Got one early this morning. Even if only some quotes in there were true that would be rather sobering. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Bill Sloman on 14 May 2010 14:08 On May 14, 4:48 pm, John Larkin <jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > On Fri, 14 May 2010 01:45:16 -0700 (PDT),Bill Sloman > > <bill.slo...(a)ieee.org> wrote: > >On May 13, 10:05 pm, Greegor <greego...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> BS > Do pay attention. The trouble that Greece is > >> BS > now in will be fixed by Greece. The EU - as > >> BS > a whole - will under-write Greek borrowing > >> BS > until that happens. > > >> Oh GOODY! More DEBT! THAT'LL fix em! LOL! > > >The alternative was to let them go bankrupt, taking down a bunch of > >Eurpean banks that had lent them money. This is pretty much what > >happend in 1929, and the relevant politicians know enough history to > >be aware of this, and didn't fancy going down that route again. > > There's a good argument that the government interventions in the '30s > created a decade-long depression that otherwise would have been a > year-or-so stock market bust. The "success" of the Roosevelt acts has > entered our mythology. You've peddled this nonsense before. Unemployment in the US was around 25% in the early 1930's, and Roosevelt's New Deal got it down to 9% in 1937, before an unfortunate revival in economic conservatism undid the good work and pushed it back up to 17%. When you last posted on this subject, you ignored the fact that unemployment got down to 9% at the start of of 1937, which did make nosense of the story you were trying to sell. > It's not as though economists understand any of this stuff. > > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/05/100511092406.htm Some economists do better than others; classical monetarist economists still believe in the "perfect market", because it keeps the math tractable, and give answers that suit the rich, despite the fact that it's predictions have very little to do with reality. Keynes did better, but he didn't have the tools and the information that today's "econophysicists" have at their command, and they don't do all that well either. > >Right-wing nitwits are less familiar with history, and correspondingly > >more enthusiastic about repeating their ancestor's mistakes. > > History records that we had stock market bubbles and busts for > hundreds of years before 1929, and that the first great government > intervention in such a bust was followed by the first Great > Depression. What intervention do you have in mind? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Crash_of_1929 Governments did nothing in 1929. The New Deal wasn't enacted until 1933, after a couple of years of deep depression, and it worked a lot better than Hoover's inaction. > >Make no mistake. The Greeks are in the process of reforming their > >economy. > > Beginning with a general strike. These things happen when belt-tightening is imposed from above. > Already public servants are getting 10% lower salaries, and > > >their retirement age has been raised from 61 to 65. There's a lot > >more of that kind of belt-tightening in the pipe-line. > > When "public servants" getting a 10% pay cut has serious effects on an > economy, you know that you have way too many "public servants." Whatever the cuts are, they haven't had time to have any "serious effects on the economy" beyond inspiring a brief general strike, which seems to be more political theatre than any kind of serious power play. -- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen It's not exceptionally big or incompetent, nor - apparently - all that honest. Not that this matters - the Greeks are going to have to balance their budget before the loan guaranties run out
From: Jim Thompson on 14 May 2010 14:21 On Fri, 14 May 2010 13:47:27 -0400, Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP(a)interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote: >On Fri, 14 May 2010 10:40:49 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >wrote: > > >>Check the tax situation first, all taxes including property taxes, cost >>of living, et cetera. AZ may not be the first contender then. > >Maybe they have some "boycott days" special deals. There's idle talk around here to cut off Californica's water and electricity... wonder how Californica would like Arizona's style of "boycott" ?:-) LA would shrivel up and die. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | The only thing bipartisan in this country is hypocrisy
From: Bill Sloman on 14 May 2010 14:25
On May 14, 4:51 pm, John Larkin <jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > On Thu, 13 May 2010 22:16:49 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodb...(a)yahoo.com > wrote: > > > > >On May 13, 5:02 pm,Bill Sloman<bill.slo...(a)ieee.org> wrote: > >> On May 13, 8:20 pm, dagmargoodb...(a)yahoo.com wrote: > > >> The argument for progressive taxation is usually put in terms of those > >> with the broadest shoulders carrying more of the load. > > >Right. That's how the Little Red Hen got a hold of all the other > >animals' bread, greedy thing that she was. She had broad shoulders. > > >> This falls a > >> long way short of Marx - > > >Marx was kind of an idiot. > > >"The average price of wage labor is the minimum wage, i.e., > > that quantum of the means of subsistence which is absolutely > > requisite to keep the laborer in bare existence as a laborer." > > --The Communist Manifesto > > > See what I mean? > > Yeah, he wouldn't understand a female plumber making $150K. I don't see why not. Most of the plumbers I've dealt with are self- employed tradesmen - they own their own tools and use them themselves, so there's no division between capital and labour. > What created our modern wealth was engineers applying science. Putting together a semi-conductor fabrication line involves spending around a billion dollars; average engineers have to consult a financial instituion before they can take advantage of the relevant science. Back when I was working for Cambridge Instruments on electron beam micro-fabricators (which sold for a couple of million dollars) we sold one to AWA in Australia. It happened that my younger brother was working for the building company that built the building into which AWA was going to put the electron beam microfabricator (and a great deal of other expensive equipment) and he negotiated the contact for the building, which cost about a hundred times as much as the microfabricator. The people who provide the capital to pay for this kind of gear do need to get an appropriate return on their investment, but they also need to pay the skilled people who make it work. Marx spelled out the conflicts of interest involved. -- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen |