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From: mike on 17 Dec 2009 21:37 Duddits wrote: > On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:37:28 -0800, mike <spamme0(a)go.com> wrote: > >> I installed copernic desktop search version 2 >> per advice in a recent thread. >> >> It works great...except...I can't use it... >> >> I have about 100GB of stuff that I've downloaded over >> the years on an external usb drive that's turned off most of the time. >> Copernic makes it much easer to search for that legacy driver >> I forgot where I saved... >> >> But, Copernic seems to deal poorly with change. >> I don't want it indexed on the fly. >> I don't even want any part of it to run until I ask for >> a search. >> I can't reindex it when I need it..it ran all day yesterday >> and still didn't get half way thru. >> 99.99% of the files never change. >> >> I'd like to be able to tell it which directory to rescan/update >> and leave the other stuff in the database alone. >> I want it to give me the search results even when the usb drive >> is turned off. >> >> When I changed the indexing options to not scan a drive, >> then turned it back on, coperinic lost the ability to find >> anything on that drive without a rescan. But the directory >> containing the database didn't change size...it's still 700MB. >> > snip > Index Your Files will do what you want. > http://www.indexyourfiles.com/index.html > Hasn't been updated in a while so any bugs can be considered > features;-) It's fast, portable and easy to use. > >> Thanks, mike > > You're welcome > > Dud Thanks, Looks promising for a non-indexed content search...until I tried to use it. Made small index. Searched for the text string "axim" inside indexed .exe files. (quotes not part of search string, but adding them causes failure) Found a file containing "maximum allowed" Searched for the text string "owed" inside .exe files. Found a file containing "maximum allowed" Searched for the text string "axim / owed" inside .exe files. Found nothing. Searched for the text string "axim owed" inside .exe files. Found nothing. I'm not feeling the love from boolean searches. Am I doing something stupid?
From: Duddits on 17 Dec 2009 23:34 On 18 Dec 2009 01:47:23 GMT, Mike Mills <efficient(a)canada.com> wrote: snip >Rafael Castro the programmer is working on a new version. >As a beta tester, I know of no bugs in the latest , or any published >version of IYF. Please tell me if you know of any. The new updates >are oriented at increased speed and ease of use. Keyboard shortcuts for copy and paste don't work and alt+tab won't work(unless you keep pressing tab to cycle through available windows) for me. That is the extent of my wish list ;-) > >One of the great features of IYF is that it can make an index , and >then the program and index together with the selected directories to >CD or DVD, and searched *directly on the CD or DVD. There is no other >freeware application that will do that. Agree. It's an excellent program. regards Dud -- Easy ACF Troll filter: 1. Add Franklin, Hummingbird, Ari, David W, Jeffrey Bloss, Nicodemus and John Stubbings. 2. Add *anyone* who replies to them. 3. Filter posts from Google Groups 4. Filter posts from theremailer 5. Filter crossposts 6. Enjoy ACF! <rev20091217>
From: Duddits on 17 Dec 2009 23:37 On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:37:50 -0800, mike <spamme0(a)go.com> wrote: >Duddits wrote: >> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:37:28 -0800, mike <spamme0(a)go.com> wrote: >> >>> I installed copernic desktop search version 2 >>> per advice in a recent thread. >>> >>> It works great...except...I can't use it... >>> >>> I have about 100GB of stuff that I've downloaded over >>> the years on an external usb drive that's turned off most of the time. >>> Copernic makes it much easer to search for that legacy driver >>> I forgot where I saved... >>> >>> But, Copernic seems to deal poorly with change. >>> I don't want it indexed on the fly. >>> I don't even want any part of it to run until I ask for >>> a search. >>> I can't reindex it when I need it..it ran all day yesterday >>> and still didn't get half way thru. >>> 99.99% of the files never change. >>> >>> I'd like to be able to tell it which directory to rescan/update >>> and leave the other stuff in the database alone. >>> I want it to give me the search results even when the usb drive >>> is turned off. >>> >>> When I changed the indexing options to not scan a drive, >>> then turned it back on, coperinic lost the ability to find >>> anything on that drive without a rescan. But the directory >>> containing the database didn't change size...it's still 700MB. >>> >> snip >> Index Your Files will do what you want. >> http://www.indexyourfiles.com/index.html >> Hasn't been updated in a while so any bugs can be considered >> features;-) It's fast, portable and easy to use. >> >>> Thanks, mike >> >> You're welcome >> >> Dud > >Thanks, >Looks promising for a non-indexed content search...until I tried to >use it. >Made small index. >Searched for the text string "axim" inside indexed .exe files. >(quotes not part of search string, but adding them causes failure) >Found a file containing "maximum allowed" >Searched for the text string "owed" inside .exe files. >Found a file containing "maximum allowed" >Searched for the text string "axim / owed" inside .exe files. >Found nothing. >Searched for the text string "axim owed" inside .exe files. >Found nothing. >I'm not feeling the love from boolean searches. >Am I doing something stupid? I've never used boolean searches with IYF before so I don't know. Sorry it didn't work out for you. regards Dud
From: Mike Mills on 18 Dec 2009 09:03 Duddits <Duddits(a)Dreamcatcher.com> wrote in Thanks for finding these : I will check them out at my end and pass them on directly to Rafael. > Keyboard shortcuts for copy and paste don't work and alt+tab won't > work(unless you keep pressing tab to cycle through available > windows) for me. That is the extent of my wish list ;-) >> >>One of the great features of IYF is that it can make an index , >>and then the program and index together with the selected >>directories to CD or DVD, and searched *directly on the CD or DVD. >>There is no other freeware application that will do that. > > Agree. It's an excellent program.
From: Franklin on 18 Dec 2009 10:56
mike wrote: > Franklin wrote: >> mike wrote: >> >>> I installed copernic desktop search version 2 >>> per advice in a recent thread. >>> >>> It works great...except...I can't use it... >>> >>> I have about 100GB of stuff that I've downloaded over >>> the years on an external usb drive that's turned off most of the >>> time. Copernic makes it much easer to search for that legacy driver >>> I forgot where I saved... >>> >>> But, Copernic seems to deal poorly with change. I don't want it >>> indexed on the fly. I don't even want any part of it to run until I >>> ask for a search. >>> >>> I can't reindex it when I need it..it ran all day yesterday >>> and still didn't get half way thru. >>> 99.99% of the files never change. >>> >>> I'd like to be able to tell it which directory to rescan/update >>> and leave the other stuff in the database alone. >>> I want it to give me the search results even when the usb drive >>> is turned off. >>> >>> When I changed the indexing options to not scan a drive, >>> then turned it back on, coperinic lost the ability to find >>> anything on that drive without a rescan. I don't mean to be harsh but that's how Copernic is designed to work. >>> But the directory >>> containing the database didn't change size...it's still 700MB. Copernic is ignoring its own index entries for deselected directories. It probably compact the index later. >>> Is there a freeware alternative, or way to configure copernic, >>> so that I can create a FIXED database and update just specific >>> parts of it on command? I want search results for drives that >>> are currently not mounted. >>> >>> The search features of copernic are just what I want. >>> Problem is the database features. >>> >>> Thanks, mike >> >> Copernic will retain its indexes and can be set to scan only on >> demand however it indexes _content_ as well as file names. > > I really appreciated the content search features of copernic. > I've been using the built-in search features in total commander. > Works OK for file name searches. Also searches inside zip and other > archives. > > My problem with copernic is that the scan on demand insists on > searching the whole computer...or at least the directories I specify. > But if I try to search/update only the small part of the data that > changed, it forgets all the rest. AIUI you want to: (1) update a subset of directories but keep the other directory info. (2) report on unmounted drives (3) update the index quickly Most indexed search tools including Copernic will not let you update a only subset of the directories you have asked the tool track. In some tools you can set up separate indexes but that is can be overcomplicated If you deselect directories which have not changed and then you start an update, most search tools will assume the unselected directories are not required in the index. If you leave all the directories selected then it shouldn't cause performance problems because a properly designed search rover will quickly go through previously indexed directories. > If there's a way to update just one > directory without losing all the rest, that would work fine. > I'm not sure, but looks like if I set it for continuous monitor, > it's gonna forget all the stuff that's currently offline. > > I have an ancient program called catfish16 that saves its index. > That's pretty quick for filename searches. > But I'm getting so old and forgetful that the content search is > looking more attractive. And the complex search terms help a lot. > If you wanna have some fun, try searching for a driver for a zip disk > inside a zip archive with only one simple search term. > >> >> Maybe you need only a file name search. Consider Locate32 or Index >> Your Files. They scan on demand and will save thier index for future >> searches. >> >> The utility Everything is very fast as it accesses NTFS data but it >> doesn't have many search features. >> >> That 100 GB is not a lot. You might use a fast search to go through >> the folders each time you need to find something. Agent Ransack and >> TrackerV3 (later called XYplorer) may be old but are much faster than >> native Windows search. >> >> http://locate32.webhop.org/ >> http://www.indexyourfiles.com/ >> http://www.voidtools.com/ >> http://www.mythicsoft.com/agentransack/ >> last freeware TrackerV3 ? > > Bottom line is that I've had a taste of copernic and I LIKE it. If I > could get that search capability AND the ability to update a tiny part > of the index without redoing the whole thing, I'd be a happy camper. > > Still hoping that it can do that and it's just operator error on my > part. I can't be the first person in history to bump up against this > issue. mike Your very slow Copernic index updates are unusual for 100GB. It could be a technical problem. An inflexible content search tool like Copernic feels like completely the wrong app for your requirements. If offline searching is very important, you are restricted in which file indexing tools you can use (such as Locate32) and you may even find a CD file organizer such as Cathy is a good fit. http://www.mtg.sk/rva/ |