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From: The Older Gentleman on 28 Jan 2010 16:55 Stephen2 <Stephen(a)mailinator.com> wrote: > I wonder how they will expose the file system in applications like > iWork. I wonder if your attributions are all to hell. -- BMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Honda CB400F Triumph Street Triple Suzuki TS250ER GN250 Damn, back to six bikes! Try Googling before asking a damn silly question. chateau dot murray at idnet dot com
From: Jochem Huhmann on 28 Jan 2010 18:06 Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie(a)sometimes.sessile.org> writes: > On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:52:06 +0000, Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> > wrote: > >>On 2010-01-28 14:33:16 +0000, Richard Tobin said: >> >>> In article <m2iqam8fxx.fsf(a)revier.com>, Jochem Huhmann <joh(a)gmx.net> wrote: >>> >>>> How do you have >>>> something "instant on" if you have to boot an OS and everything? >>> >>> I imagine you assemble a team of the finest computer designers and >>> give them control of both the hardware and the operating system. >> >>Pff. Like someone's going to do *that*. > > Psion and Palm managed it very well indeed. It's not a new thing. I think this kind of instant-on (as in "less than a second") with a quite large Unix-based OS isn't *that* easy to do. Jochem -- "A designer knows he has arrived at perfection not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away." - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
From: James Jolley on 28 Jan 2010 18:26 On 2010-01-28 23:06:59 +0000, Jochem Huhmann <joh(a)gmx.net> said: > Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie(a)sometimes.sessile.org> writes: > >> On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:52:06 +0000, Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On 2010-01-28 14:33:16 +0000, Richard Tobin said: >>> >>>> In article <m2iqam8fxx.fsf(a)revier.com>, Jochem Huhmann <joh(a)gmx.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> How do you have >>>>> something "instant on" if you have to boot an OS and everything? >>>> >>>> I imagine you assemble a team of the finest computer designers and >>>> give them control of both the hardware and the operating system. >>> >>> Pff. Like someone's going to do *that*. >> >> Psion and Palm managed it very well indeed. It's not a new thing. > > I think this kind of instant-on (as in "less than a second") with a > quite large Unix-based OS isn't *that* easy to do. > > Jochem Good point because unix is quite funny about power generally as I remember. Very specific.
From: Richard Tobin on 28 Jan 2010 19:11 In article <m2wrz17rsc.fsf(a)revier.com>, Jochem Huhmann <joh(a)gmx.net> wrote: >I think this kind of instant-on (as in "less than a second") with a >quite large Unix-based OS isn't *that* easy to do. Traditionally a large part of the time booting unix has been in detecting devices, because of the wide range of hardware it runs on. In something like an iPhone or iPad, this is much less significant. Running a more restricted set of software also speeds things up. PCs of course have also usually spent a long time in the BIOS doing various things many of which don't apply here. My EEE running the free version of Google's Chromium - which is not tailored to the particular hardware - boots in 16 seconds including the BIOS. I would have thought Apple ought to be able to get it down to about 5 seconds given the control they have over the system. But in fact my iPhone takes 40 seconds. -- Richard -- Please remember to mention me / in tapes you leave behind.
From: zoara on 28 Jan 2010 20:03
Jochem Huhmann <joh(a)gmx.net> wrote: > I have an iPod touch and I never switch it really off. It's actually quite difficult to do. Not physically, but psychologically; first you have to discover how to do it, then you have to show you really, really want to turn it off by holding down the power button (something that you do on laptops only if things have gone badly wrong), and *then* you get an ominously-red slider (danger!) which is disorientatingly in the wrong place. The whole experience feels wrong, and likely deliberately so. -z- -- "And the tiny universe compiles." http://powazek.com/posts/1655 |