From: John McWilliams on
erilar wrote:
> In article <jollyroger-411A8A.21190003042010(a)news.individual.net>,
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> Really? I've seen improvement with just about every single update (bug
>> fixes, better stability, more features that actual people want, and so
>> on). I guess you like to pretend a whole lot of improvements simply
>> don't exist, huh?
>
> OK, stability improvements are something I don't see and therefore can't
> judge. And yes, I know other people want new bells and whistles all the
> time. What has irritated me time and again is that they come at the
> cost of features I used regularly that have been wiped out.

What features would those be?
I've been using iTunes since it was SoundJam, and the changes that've
been made over the years simply don't bother me, and many improvements
have been made, too.

--
john mcwilliams


Remember: Opinions are like buttocks; only those which are well-formed
should be shown in public.

From: erilar on
In article <hpab0r$nih$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
John McWilliams <jpmcw(a)comcast.net> wrote:

> erilar wrote:
> > In article <jollyroger-411A8A.21190003042010(a)news.individual.net>,
> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Really? I've seen improvement with just about every single update (bug
> >> fixes, better stability, more features that actual people want, and so
> >> on). I guess you like to pretend a whole lot of improvements simply
> >> don't exist, huh?
> >
> > OK, stability improvements are something I don't see and therefore can't
> > judge. And yes, I know other people want new bells and whistles all the
> > time. What has irritated me time and again is that they come at the
> > cost of features I used regularly that have been wiped out.
>
> What features would those be?
> I've been using iTunes since it was SoundJam, and the changes that've
> been made over the years simply don't bother me, and many improvements
> have been made, too.

I'm not referring to iTunes in particular, but to what happens with
upgrades generally. I now have iTunes tamed to hide the bells and
whistles I have no use for.

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist


http://www.mosaictelecom.com/~erilarlo
From: John McWilliams on
erilar wrote:
> In article <hpab0r$nih$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
> John McWilliams <jpmcw(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> erilar wrote:
>>> In article <jollyroger-411A8A.21190003042010(a)news.individual.net>,
>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Really? I've seen improvement with just about every single update (bug
>>>> fixes, better stability, more features that actual people want, and so
>>>> on). I guess you like to pretend a whole lot of improvements simply
>>>> don't exist, huh?
>>> OK, stability improvements are something I don't see and therefore can't
>>> judge. And yes, I know other people want new bells and whistles all the
>>> time. What has irritated me time and again is that they come at the
>>> cost of features I used regularly that have been wiped out.
>> What features would those be?
>> I've been using iTunes since it was SoundJam, and the changes that've
>> been made over the years simply don't bother me, and many improvements
>> have been made, too.
>
> I'm not referring to iTunes in particular, but to what happens with
> upgrades generally. I now have iTunes tamed to hide the bells and
> whistles I have no use for.

In the post in which you replied to JR, the topic of improvements was
related to iTunes.

So, are you now saying there's been no features wiped out in iTunes? If
that is so, what features have been wiped out in other apps?

--
john mcwilliams
From: erilar on
In article <hpaphm$sef$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
John McWilliams <jpmcw(a)comcast.net> wrote:

> In the post in which you replied to JR, the topic of improvements was
> related to iTunes.

__I_ have been saying the same thing publicly about updates generally
since ClarisWorks lost out to AppleWorks.
>
> So, are you now saying there's been no features wiped out in iTunes? If
> that is so, what features have been wiped out in other apps?

I'm not going to make you a list, but, having mentioned the one above,
I'll describe the biggest loss in that switch. With ClarisWorks I had a
long list of items from the pull-down menus and submenus that I could
put on the desktop as buttons. I could also create macros and design
the graphic on the button and add them to the desktop collection, all of
which took up a fraction of the space of the severely limited choice of
"tools" AppleWorks allows. AW would only allow macros as things to be
assigned to "function keys" which I would then have to tape labels to. I
could also save certain editing choices with specific document formats
that were no longer possible. I found no significant improvements to
make up for these.

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist


http://www.mosaictelecom.com/~erilarlo
From: Davoud on
erilar:
> I'm not referring to iTunes in particular, but to what happens with
> upgrades generally. I now have iTunes tamed to hide the bells and
> whistles I have no use for.

That's a false generalization. Generally, what happens during upgrades
is that software gets better. There have been exceptions, but they are
not the general trend by a long shot.

As for "taming" iTunes, it seems the whole thing was a tempest in a
teacup and you had no cause for alarm from the beginning. That's
good--I'm glad iTunes is working for you.

Davoud

P.S. I also have what some would consider to be an impressive
collection of mediaeval and renaissance music, much of it collected in
Europe and the Middle East over the past 45 years or so. I have an
extensive collection of music for the vielle � roue, some of which I
recorded myself in the 1970's using professional-quality equipment. I
also used to play the recorder (blockfl�te), which was an easy
transition from my "native" instruments, the clarinet and saxophone.

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