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From: Alan Mackenzie on 16 Jun 2010 11:33 In comp.emacs Uday S Reddy <uDOTsDOTreddy(a)cs.bham.ac.uk> wrote: > Alan Mackenzie wrote: >>> You can set your own defaults in your .emacs to get the behaviour you >>> like and so can all the other people. >> This garbage again. When we're talking only about the best settings >> for defaults, going on about .emacs is stupid. > Interesting. When I raised the issue of defaults in the developers > list, I was advised by Stefan to set my own default. Apparently, he > didn't think it was stupid to do so. Not whilst addressing somebody wearing a user's hat. It's a stupid distraction for the maintainers whilst pondering defaults. > When I said this morning that you had fallen silent, my meaning was > that you did not provide an answer. Calling the question "silly" or > "stupid" does not amount to an answer, does it? It can do. There are questions which can be used to derail a discussion, should the questioner wish this. I have a suspicion this is one of your aims here. If you're not trolling, then please accept my apologies and carefully review your posts to see where that impression came from. > Why don't you leave it to Stefan to speak for himself? I am sure that > Stefan and I are able to have a perfectly normal, professional > conversation without your help. Yet more snide remarks, yes? I'm not going to rise to it this time. > Cheers, > Uday -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
From: Xah Lee on 16 Jun 2010 12:14 On Jun 15, 8:30 pm, Evans Winner <tho...(a)unm.edu> wrote: > ,------ Thad Floryan wrote ------ > | Your opinion which neither I nor 100,000s of others > | share -- you stand alone. > > Not alone. I've read similar advice in the past. > > What I would like to try is a situation in which holding > down SPC and then hitting something else causes SPC to act > like Control. But if nothing is hit along with SPC then it > sends a Space character on key-up. Obviously this would > have the drawback that one could not get repeated spaces by > holding down the space key, but I would like to at least > experiment with it. I don't know if it is possible to map > the keys that way, though. I've looked into it a bit, but > not figured it out. > > Failing that, I do use Caps-Lock and Control swapped and > have for some time. It doesn't seem terribly harmful to me. > The idea of palming the Control key is interesting, but it > seems as if it would require tiny hands to really do > comfortably. For me, I do have to move my hands awkwardly > from the home row to do that, whereas I don't really have to > move from the home row to hit the key to the left of `A'. > Maybe it was all the piano playing back in the day, but my > fifth finger moves the slight bit sideways pretty fluently. whether you can use the palm edge to hit control key depends on your keyboard of course. On vast majority of generic PC keyboard, that can be trivially done, regardless if you have large or small hands. You can see picts of several keyboards here, including a generic PC one that's usually just $6. Computer Keyboards Gallery http://xahlee.org/emacs/keyboards.html you can also see a pict and video of the Daz Keyboard, which follows the standard generic PC keyboard shape: The Idiocy of Hacker Keyboards http://xahlee.org/emacs/keyboards_hacker_idiocy.html you can also see the classic IBM keyboard there with its huge Control key. it is so easy to hit with the palm. Just push down your palm and you hit it. Almost easier than pressing keys with index finger on the home row. Xah
From: Chris F.A. Johnson on 16 Jun 2010 19:23 On 2010-06-15, Thad Floryan wrote: .... > The (dumb) PC standard of a [Ctrl] key at the lower-left of a keyboard is > ridiculous and WILL cause pinky problems if one uses Emacs as an editor and > bash as a shell. I have no problems using the Ctrl keys (left and right) with emacs and bash. I also have the CapsLock key as Ctrl, but I never use it; the change is mostly to disable CapsLock, which I have never used, and which is annoying when hit accidentally. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, <http://cfajohnson.com> Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)
From: despen on 16 Jun 2010 21:11 "Chris F.A. Johnson" <cfajohnson(a)gmail.com> writes: > On 2010-06-15, Thad Floryan wrote: > ... >> The (dumb) PC standard of a [Ctrl] key at the lower-left of a keyboard is >> ridiculous and WILL cause pinky problems if one uses Emacs as an editor and >> bash as a shell. > > I have no problems using the Ctrl keys (left and right) with emacs > and bash. > > I also have the CapsLock key as Ctrl, but I never use it; the > change is mostly to disable CapsLock, which I have never used, and > which is annoying when hit accidentally. Yep same here. Forget about swapping, just disable CapsLock it's an accident waiting to happen.
From: Uday S Reddy on 17 Jun 2010 04:51
On 6/16/2010 4:33 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > It can do. There are questions which can be used to derail a discussion, > should the questioner wish this. I have a suspicion this is one of your > aims here. If you're not trolling, then please accept my apologies and > carefully review your posts to see where that impression came from. I wasn't trolling. Apology accepted. Cheers, Uday |