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From: lee on 28 Jun 2010 16:00
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 05:38:25PM +0100, Alan Chandler wrote:
> I am being asked when I see your messages that you have asked for a
> read receipt. Are you getting lots of them?
>
> For me it is mildly annoying and pointless for this list.

Yes, it is, I'm sorry. I'll have to reconfigure that.


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From: Alan Greenberger on 30 Jun 2010 11:10
On 2010-06-25, lee <lee(a)yun.yagibdah.de> wrote:
>
> what could be the reason why I can't switch from X11 to consoles with
> Alt+Fx anymore? It's also not possible to kill the X session with
> Ctrl+Alt+Backspace, though this feature is not turned off in the
> xorg.conf. I'm using fvwm-crystal as a window manager.

On one machine with on motherboard radeon, I could not get CtrlAltFx to
work on Lenny. Plugging a card with radeon into PCIe would work! What
eventually "fixed" this was to add two lines to /etc/lilo.conf:

image=/vmlinuz
label=Lenny
initrd=/initrd.img
root=/dev/sda5

append="video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr"
vga=803
and then run lilo -v .


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From: lee on 1 Jul 2010 13:20
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 10:46:22AM -0400, Alan Greenberger wrote:
> On 2010-06-25, lee <lee(a)yun.yagibdah.de> wrote:
> >
> > what could be the reason why I can't switch from X11 to consoles with
> > Alt+Fx anymore? It's also not possible to kill the X session with
> > Ctrl+Alt+Backspace, though this feature is not turned off in the
> > xorg.conf. I'm using fvwm-crystal as a window manager.
>
> On one machine with on motherboard radeon, I could not get CtrlAltFx to
> work on Lenny. Plugging a card with radeon into PCIe would work! What
> eventually "fixed" this was to add two lines to /etc/lilo.conf:
>
> image=/vmlinuz
> label=Lenny
> initrd=/initrd.img
> root=/dev/sda5
>
> append="video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr"
> vga=803
> and then run lilo -v .

Thanks! I got it to work after configuring the keyboard. Though the
keyboard worked fine, it wasn't set up correctly, but since it is, I
can switch again.

I was thinking that there must be something configured to prevent the
switching, but apparently there isn't anything to prevent it in the X
configuration. It was only a misconfigured keyboard.


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From: lee on 3 Jul 2010 09:50
On Thu, Jul 01, 2010 at 01:34:54PM -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:15:58 -0400 (EDT), lee <lee(a)yun.yagibdah.de> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks! I got it to work after configuring the keyboard. Though the
> > keyboard worked fine, it wasn't set up correctly, but since it is, I
> > can switch again.
> >
>
> I'm glad that you got it working, Lee. Would you mind elaborating as
> to exactly how you did it?

Well, I changed the keyboard setting in xorg.conf:


Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Keyboard0"
Driver "kbd"
Option "XKBOptions" "ctrl:nocaps"
Option "XkbModel" "pc102"
Option "XkbLayout" "de"
EndSection


I was lucky that the keyboard settings in KDE use setxkbmap with some
options when you enable keyboard layouts. That helped me to find out
that there's no 'Option "XkbVariant" "de"'. Once I got a good setting
playing around with that, I used 'xmodmap -pke' to create a keymap
which I edited to change the layout the way I wanted it. It's being
loaded from my ~/.xinitrc now.

> If I recall correctly, you had a 101-key IBM Model M keyboard, is
> that correct?

Aren't they 102 keys?

> In my humble opinion, this is the best keyboard ever made.

Yes, that's why I'm using them. There are just no decent keyboards
available, except those and, probably, the ones that are still being
built by Unicomp. Sooner or later, I might buy one of those new :)

> I've got a couple of them left over from old IBM PS/2 systems.
> The PS/2 systems are long gone, but the keyboards live on and on.
> I'll never part with them.

I wouldn't, either :) I've got only one now, but I'll get at least one
spare, or better several, so that I'll have a supply that will last
for my lifetime. And I don't understand why anyone accepts the junk
keyboards you get nowadays, they are totally unusable and are worn out
after only three weeks. And you can't type even half as fast on them,
compared to a model M. They are a torture.

> But I've never had any problem configuring them or getting them to
> work.

Well, they kinda work out of the box, but I had to use one of those
junk keyboards before I got my model M. I never bothered to get the
junk keyboard set up correctly. And before that, I was using an
American keyboard ...

> So far, I've been using hardware old enough to have a PS/2-style
> keyboard connector at the back. But sooner or later I will be faced
> with the prospect of getting some type of PS/2 to USB adapter so that
> I can plug it in to a USB port and use it as a USB keyboard.

USB sucks for keyboard connections :(((( The one I had to use before
was an USB keyboard, and the responses to keystrokes were a hell of a
lot slower than they are now with the PS/2 connection. It might be due
to the keyboard, but I think it's an USB problem.

> (Also, being a USA user, I've never had to worry about
> locale settings, fonts, character sets, etc., for non-English languages.

You'll have to start thinking about that once you get email in other
languages :)


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From: Stephen Powell on 3 Jul 2010 11:40
On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 09:39:53 -0400 (EDT), lee <lee(a)yun.yagibdah.de> wrote:
>
> Well, I changed the keyboard setting in xorg.conf:
>
> Section "InputDevice"
> Identifier "Keyboard0"
> Driver "kbd"
> Option "XKBOptions" "ctrl:nocaps"
> Option "XkbModel" "pc102"
> Option "XkbLayout" "de"
> EndSection
>

Are you running Lenny? I thought all that stuff was dynamically
sensed in Squeeze. I thought that the version of xorg which shipped
with Squeeze would ignore any section specifying "kbd" as the driver.

>
> I was lucky that the keyboard settings in KDE use setxkbmap with some
> options when you enable keyboard layouts. That helped me to find out
> that there's no 'Option "XkbVariant" "de"'. Once I got a good setting
> playing around with that, I used 'xmodmap -pke' to create a keymap
> which I edited to change the layout the way I wanted it. It's being
> loaded from my ~/.xinitrc now.

> Stephen Powell wrote:
>> If I recall correctly, you had a 101-key IBM Model M keyboard, is
>> that correct?
>
> Aren't they 102 keys?

If I recall correctly, the US version has 101 keys; and the international
version has 102 keys. The shape of the Enter key on the main portion
of the keyboard (as opposed to the numeric keypad) is the easiest way
to tell the difference. The international version has a key cap for
the Enter key that has the shape of a backwards capital L. The US
version has an Enter key with a rectangular shape. At the risk of
boring you with mind-numbing detail, here is the physical layout of the
US version, which is the one I have:

Esc F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8 F9 F10 F11 F12 Print_Screen Scroll_Lock Pause
` 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 - = Backspace Insert Home Page_Up Num_Lock / * -
Tab q w e r t y u i o p [ ] \ Delete End Page_Down Home Up_Arrow PgUp +_(top_half)
Caps_Lock a s d f g h j k l ; ' Enter Left_Arrow noop_(5_when_shifted) Right_Arrow
Shift z x c v b n m , . / Shift Up_Arrow End Down_Arrow PgDn Enter_(top_half)
Ctrl Alt Space_Bar Alt Ctrl Left_Arrow Down_Arrow Right_Arrow Ins Del

That's 101 keys.

> Stephen Powell wrote:
>> So far, I've been using hardware old enough to have a PS/2-style
>> keyboard connector at the back. But sooner or later I will be faced
>> with the prospect of getting some type of PS/2 to USB adapter so that
>> I can plug it in to a USB port and use it as a USB keyboard.
>
> USB sucks for keyboard connections :(((( The one I had to use before
> was an USB keyboard, and the responses to keystrokes were a hell of a
> lot slower than they are now with the PS/2 connection. It might be due
> to the keyboard, but I think it's an USB problem.

I'm not looking forward to that. :-(

> Stephen Powell wrote:
>> (Also, being a USA user, I've never had to worry about
>> locale settings, fonts, character sets, etc., for non-English languages.
>
> You'll have to start thinking about that once you get email in other
> languages :)

There's an old joke about that.

Q: What do you call a man who speaks three languages?
A: Trilingual.

Q: What do you call a man who speaks two languages?
A: Bilingual.

Q: What do you call a man who speaks only one language?
A: An American. :-)

Actually, I did take two years of Spanish in high school. But that was a long
time ago. And since I've never really had occasion to use it since then, I've
forgotten most of what I learned.

Thanks for the follow-up information.

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