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From: Greg Menke on 12 Apr 2006 13:43 David Kastrup <dak(a)gnu.org> writes: > Greg Menke <gregm-xyzpdq3(a)toadmail.com> writes: > > > Pascal Costanza <pc(a)p-cos.net> writes: > > > >> David Kastrup wrote: > >> > "Tim Bradshaw" <tfb+google(a)tfeb.org> writes: > >> > > >> >>All the emacs mac ports suck more-or-less equally. > >> > What did you find wrong with Yaced? I have not used it myself (as I > >> > don't _have_ MacOSX), but from what I heard it should be a pretty > >> > straightforward Mac Port, and MacOSX certainly appears well-supported > >> > in the Emacs-CVS code base. > >> > >> Aquamacs works pretty well for me, and even fulfils many of the OP's > >> requirements. (However, he would probably complain that Mac OS X doesn't > >> look enough like Windows, or something... ;) > > > > Aquamacs is pretty nice, just tedious to work with unless you're > > into fooling around with the mouse. Same sort of problem as using > > NTEmacs and cygwin on a Windows box. > > NTEmacs should be a normal port IIRC, with the normal defaults. And > in general, Emacs will not open a mouse dialog when you trigger > commands by keyboard. From what I hear, Aquamacs is configured to > open a new frame (as opposed to switching buffers or opening a new > window) for everything, and that means that you can't avoid using the > GUI features for sorting out a self-cluttering desktop. The biggest problem with NTEmacs & cygwin is NTEmacs is aware of drive letters but cygwin wants /cygdrive/?/ where ? is the drive letter. Not a big deal once you're used to it. I've had numerous tty problems with cygwin emacs so haven't tried using it in a while. As far as OS X, the gui & mouse are just too tedious. I find it easier to use plain emacs -nw in multiple terminal windows and get on with the job at hand. My preference with Mac hardware is to put Linux on it and run Windowmaker. Gregm
From: rsheridan6 on 12 Apr 2006 14:23 Burton Samograd wrote: > "funkyj" <funkyj(a)gmail.com> writes: > > > I think someone needs to be compared to hitler before we can put the > > thread to rest. > > I wonder, would hitler have used emacs? No. Too many security issues. See: http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.emacs.help/browse_frm/thread/47bc043c2257b9a2/f4f658199b65eeaf?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&rnum=2&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Demacs%2Bjews%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26selm%3D989898671967295%2540amnet.net.ae%26rnum%3D2#f4f658199b65eeaf
From: David Kastrup on 12 Apr 2006 14:40 rsheridan6(a)gmail.com writes: > Burton Samograd wrote: >> "funkyj" <funkyj(a)gmail.com> writes: >> >> > I think someone needs to be compared to hitler before we can put the >> > thread to rest. >> >> I wonder, would hitler have used emacs? > > No. Too many security issues. [Jewish conspiracy thread link] He did not have much of a problem with appropriating other stuff from such a purported source, and "security issues" for someone indulging in a Dreifrontenkrieg? Well, Emacs may be taking a stand against XEmacs, vi and Windows, but is lacking persuasion. It comes with several vi emulators, has mimicked some XEmacs features and runs on Windows. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum
From: funkyj on 12 Apr 2006 15:27 I'm not sure. Does Godwin's Law include localizations? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law Even if localization is allowed I would expect Godwin's Law to require that a politically/emotionally charged analogy. Given that hitler/nazism is probably more emotionally charged in germany than anywhere else it would seem an especially proper occurance of Godwin's law being fufilled when used with a german combatant.
From: Miles Bader on 12 Apr 2006 15:31
David Kastrup <dak(a)gnu.org> writes: >> I think someone needs to be compared to hitler before we can put the >> thread to rest. > > Is that the regular procedure to obey also when the combatants are > situated in Germany? Well the results are certainly more entertaining in that case... -Miles -- ..Numeric stability is probably not all that important when you're guessing. |