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From: Craig on 9 Apr 2010 20:58 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:828aihFf36U1(a)mid.individual.net... > Craig wrote >> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote >>> Craig wrote >>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote > >>>>>>> It is rather important to get the facts right. These examples >>>>>>> are not of individual users who merely downloaded material in >>>>>>> breach of copyright. They also made the material available to >>>>>>> many others. They are the equivalent of retailers of pirated >>>>>>> software. > >>>>>> Yes, but by downloading via P2P you are uploading at the same time. > >>>>> Not necessarily. You can disable that. > >>>> Even if you could, the fact you are downloading is something known to >>>> the swarm. > >>> Not if you use a redirector it isnt. > >>> All the swarm ever knows is that someone else is using that redirector. > >> Will a free redirector give you good download speeds? > > Yep. Why would they give you that much bandwidth for free? What's in it for them?
From: Craig on 9 Apr 2010 21:05 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:8281fdFr4rU1(a)mid.individual.net... > >> What makes you so sure about this? > > Because there is nothing to be gained by doing that. > > There was something to be gained by shafting an uploader. > Why did they do in the US then? All P2P downloaders at fast speeds are uploaders. >>>> It's only a matter of time. > >>> Wrong. If they do sue individual downloaders, it will be >>> in countrys where thats much more productive than here. > >> You think Australia will be a safe-haven for downloaders? > > In the sense that they wont be sued here, yes. > >> Are you aware of the the Aus-US free trade agreement? > > Its completely and utterly irrelevant to that particular question. > > The US doesnt get to write our law as a result of that agreement. > >>>>>> Do you want to be the first in Aus? > >>>>> Easy enough to make your IP useless for that if you are that >>>>> paranoid/neurotic. > >>>> If you make it that useless you won't allow anything to be sent to you >>>> over P2P. > >>> Wrong. Its completely trivial to do that. > >> Will that work through all ISPs? > > Some do choose to block P2P traffic, but even those can be trivially > bypassed using VPNs. Are there free and fast VPNs which don't keep records?
From: Epsilon on 9 Apr 2010 21:17 Craig wrote: > "Loreen" <silverrings99(a)Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote in > message news:hpn84g$vnt$1(a)tioat.net... >>>> >>>> Your analysis would fail for the first ever defendant in a >>>> jurisdiction. Are you advocating that people just wait for someone >>>> else to get sued first and pray it's not them first? >>>> >>>> The likelihood of them suing is the better point. What is it that >>>> makes you think the likelihood is small in Australia? >>> >>> The likelihood of them suing isn't relevant, the only thing that's >>> relevant is the likelihood of a copyright holder suing successfully. >> >> There isn't much doubt that a copyright holder could find an >> individual who has breached copyright. In the real world, copyright >> holders don't sue such an individual, for normal commercial reasons. >> Microsoft, for example, just doesn't sue an individual who has >> merely breached its copyright. >> > > They do go after the individual. See: > > http://www.zdnetasia.com/riaa-wins-court-case-against-u-s-file-sharer-62033073.htm > http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/digital-life/games/nintendo-pirate-just-a-shy-gamer-dad-20100210-nrlr.html > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_v._Thomas Ho hum...
From: F Murtz on 9 Apr 2010 21:34 Craig wrote: > "Rod Speed"<rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:828aesFeddU1(a)mid.individual.net... >> >>>> Not necessarily. >> >>>> And even if it is, so what if it takes a bit longer ? >> >>> Time is money. >> >> Like hell it is for most downloaders. >> >> In spades when it happens in the background as all P2P traffic does. >> > > If it's too slow it defeats the purpose. It has to be less hassle than > going to the video store, otherwise there's no point. video stores cost money. > > > >>>>>>> When they download a file they are making available to others the >>>>>>> parts of the file they have already downloaded. >> >>>>>> Not necessarily. >> >>>>>> And the reason that wont happen in Australia is because there are no >>>>>> statutory damages like that here anyway. >> >>>>> That's not a reason in of itself that the litigation wouldn't be >>>>> successful. >> >>>> Corse it is. >> >>> Not necessarily. >> >> Cant even manage its own lines. >> >> Its only that situation which makes a civil action against an individual >> downloader viable. > > Damages could still be established. They may want to make an example out of > some P2P users here. Would you want to be that example? > >
From: F Murtz on 9 Apr 2010 21:40
Craig wrote: > "Rod Speed"<rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:828akuFfjnU1(a)mid.individual.net... >> Craig wrote >>> Rod Speed<rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote >>>> Craig wrote >>>>> Rod Speed<rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote >> >>>>>>>> It is rather important to get the facts right. These examples >>>>>>>> are not of individual users who merely downloaded material in >>>>>>>> breach of copyright. They also made the material available to >>>>>>>> many others. They are the equivalent of retailers of pirated >>>>>>>> software. >> >>>>>>> Yes, but by downloading via P2P you are uploading at the same time. >> >>>>>> Not necessarily. You can disable that. >> >>>>> Most P2P programs will slow your dowload speeds if you disable >>>>> uploading. >> >>>> So it takes a little longer ? Hardly the end of civilisation as we know >>>> it. >> >>> Time is money. >> >> Like hell it is with individual P2P downloaders doing the downloading in >> the background. > > Time is the issue. If it takes 2 weeks to download it then the advantage to > the downloader is lost. They might as well go to the music store. You seem to assume that every body has money, in some cases the reason that people use p2p is because of the lack of it. > > |