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From: Craig on 9 Apr 2010 23:26 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:828a8aFd3qU1(a)mid.individual.net... > >> Wouldn't the redirector have to pass on all traffic to and from the P2P >> user? > > Thats one way of doing it. > >> If so, are you going to get good speeds from a free redirector? > > Yep. > >> Why would they give you so much bandwidth for free? > > Because they get it at no marginal cost themselves. That doesn't really answer the question. Why would they give it away for free?
From: Rod Speed on 10 Apr 2010 06:42 Craig wrote: > "Loreen" <silverrings99(a)Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote in > message news:hpn84g$vnt$1(a)tioat.net... >>>> >>>> Your analysis would fail for the first ever defendant in a >>>> jurisdiction. Are you advocating that people just wait for someone >>>> else to get sued first and pray it's not them first? >>>> >>>> The likelihood of them suing is the better point. What is it that >>>> makes you think the likelihood is small in Australia? >>> >>> The likelihood of them suing isn't relevant, the only thing that's >>> relevant is the likelihood of a copyright holder suing successfully. >> >> There isn't much doubt that a copyright holder could find an >> individual who has breached copyright. In the real world, copyright >> holders don't sue such an individual, for normal commercial reasons. >> Microsoft, for example, just doesn't sue an individual who has >> merely breached its copyright. > They do go after the individual. Not for just downloading they dont in this country. > See: > http://www.zdnetasia.com/riaa-wins-court-case-against-u-s-file-sharer-62033073.htm Different country. > http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/digital-life/games/nintendo-pirate-just-a-shy-gamer-dad-20100210-nrlr.html He didnt just download. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_v._Thomas Different country. >>> I'm certain that the RIAA and their Australian cohorts would like >>> nothing better than a successful action in Australia, either against >>> an ISP or their clients, but so far that hasn't happened and the >>> iiNet decision has made it even more unlikely. >> >> They would much prefer to target the ISP rather than the ISP's >> clients, for obvious reasons. They won't go after the ISP's clients >> if the client merely breaches copyright. >> >> It's usually that way. Target the seller, not the buyer-user, as >> with any illicit item. >> >>> If the chance is one in a million then most people will take that >>> chance, you've probably got more chance of being attacked by a >>> shark.
From: Rod Speed on 10 Apr 2010 06:48 Craig wrote > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote >> Craig wrote >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote >>>> Craig wrote >>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote >>>>>>>> It is rather important to get the facts right. These examples >>>>>>>> are not of individual users who merely downloaded material in >>>>>>>> breach of copyright. They also made the material available to many others. They are the equivalent of retailers >>>>>>>> of pirated software. >>>>>>> Yes, but by downloading via P2P you are uploading at the same time. >>>>>> Not necessarily. You can disable that. >>>>> Most P2P programs will slow your dowload speeds if you disable uploading. >>>> So it takes a little longer ? Hardly the end of civilisation as we know it. >>> Time is money. >> Like hell it is with individual P2P downloaders doing the downloading in the background. > Time is the issue. Like hell it is with individual P2P downloaders doing the downloading in the background. > If it takes 2 weeks to download it It doesnt. > then the advantage to the downloader is lost. Wrong, as always. I wouldnt pay for it. > They might as well go to the music store. They dont bother.
From: Rod Speed on 10 Apr 2010 06:50 Craig wrote > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote >> Craig wrote >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote >>>> Craig wrote >>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote >>>>>>>> It is rather important to get the facts right. These examples >>>>>>>> are not of individual users who merely downloaded material in >>>>>>>> breach of copyright. They also made the material available to many others. They are the equivalent of retailers >>>>>>>> of pirated software. >>>>>>> Yes, but by downloading via P2P you are uploading at the same time. >>>>>> Not necessarily. You can disable that. >>>>> Even if you could, the fact you are downloading is something known to the swarm. >>>> Not if you use a redirector it isnt. >>>> All the swarm ever knows is that someone else is using that redirector. >>> Will a free redirector give you good download speeds? >> Yep. > Why would they give you that much bandwidth for free? Because it doesnt cost them a cent. > What's in it for them? Some enjoy shafting copyright holders.
From: Rod Speed on 10 Apr 2010 06:57
Craig wrote > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote >>> What makes you so sure about this? >> Because there is nothing to be gained by doing that. >> There was something to be gained by shafting an uploader. > Why did they do in the US then? Because their system has statutory penaltys. Ours doesnt. > All P2P downloaders at fast speeds are uploaders. Wrong, as always. >>>>> It's only a matter of time. >>>> Wrong. If they do sue individual downloaders, it will be >>>> in countrys where thats much more productive than here. >>> You think Australia will be a safe-haven for downloaders? >> In the sense that they wont be sued here, yes. >>> Are you aware of the the Aus-US free trade agreement? >> Its completely and utterly irrelevant to that particular question. >> The US doesnt get to write our law as a result of that agreement. >>>>>>> Do you want to be the first in Aus? >>>>>> Easy enough to make your IP useless for that if you are that paranoid/neurotic. >>>>> If you make it that useless you won't allow anything to be sent to you over P2P. >>>> Wrong. Its completely trivial to do that. >>> Will that work through all ISPs? >> Some do choose to block P2P traffic, but even those can be trivially bypassed using VPNs. > Are there free and fast VPNs which don't keep records? Corse there are. |